The suggestion is laughable.According to a report by Corriere dello Sport, Fred Vasseur attempted to sign GP Lambiase, Max Verstappen’s race engineer, in hopes that he would be Lewis Hamilton’s race engineer next year. GP turned him down and extended his contract at Red Bull instead.
Not sure why some said it couldnt happen, Austin is a logical place to bring parts. Three week break before and start of triple header
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/arti ... gqd8lz9g1oNewey commits to £30m-a-year Aston Martin deal
Adrian Newey is set to join Aston Martin in 2025
Andrew Benson
An Aston Martin source told BBC Sport that Newey has made a long-term commitment to the team,
said to be a five-year contract worth up to a possible £30m a year, including bonuses and add-ons.
The deal will be announced at a news conference organised by Aston Martin at their F1 base at Silverstone on Tuesday.
Newey, who in April negotiated an early exit from his contract as Red Bull chief technical officer, will start work in early March.
The 65-year-old's manager Eddie Jordan refused to discuss the situation when approached for comment by BBC Sport.
Because they are living in denial.Seanspeed wrote: ↑06 Sep 2024, 12:13Red Bull, at least when Newey was there, had been extremely good at not getting caught out, and adapting quickly to any issues they did have with the car. Like, do people really not understand that RB's dominance of 2009-2013 ended largely cuz in 2014 and for nearly half a decade afterwards, they had an uncompetitive engine? As soon as the engine became competitive again, they were right back at the front. They've honestly been the most consistently strong team on the grid for a long time if we're counting the things that were actually under their control.
I still have no idea why people are just overlooking the obvious - Newey leaves, and the team becomes lost in how to develop the car or get it in shape over a weekend. That's extremely unlikely to just be some coincidence. He was not some unimportant figure, no matter how much Horner tries to claim so.
He was. He’s a full participating figure and these ideas he just drops in from time to time while mostly vacationing around the world are ridiculous. I personally think the weekend set up for the car was often resolved by him.
yeah its going to feel really strange if redbull are the ones that have problems solving their technical issues. they have always been the one team that rarely stumbled, and if they did, it was fixed by the next update (usually by the next race). i didnt see them letting go of him before he walked away for good. if they seriously believed that Newey wasnt really needed anymore, then i feel they may be learning a hard lesson really soon.Chuckjr wrote: ↑08 Sep 2024, 00:15He was. He’s a full participating figure and these ideas he just drops in from time to time while mostly vacationing around the world are ridiculous. I personally think the weekend set up for the car was often resolved by him.
The guy bleeds success and he will bring it to Aston.
Newey had not being involved in f1 car design for the last 2 years that just facts .he was working on a road car.ground effect cars are are a difficult beast and all teams are having balance issues at some point .the problem with redbull is that they a having issues with older parts which were not problematic on earlier races ,so the question is why have the lost something on the car which aided driverbilty ealier.Chuckjr wrote: ↑08 Sep 2024, 00:15Because they are living in denial.Seanspeed wrote: ↑06 Sep 2024, 12:13Red Bull, at least when Newey was there, had been extremely good at not getting caught out, and adapting quickly to any issues they did have with the car. Like, do people really not understand that RB's dominance of 2009-2013 ended largely cuz in 2014 and for nearly half a decade afterwards, they had an uncompetitive engine? As soon as the engine became competitive again, they were right back at the front. They've honestly been the most consistently strong team on the grid for a long time if we're counting the things that were actually under their control.
I still have no idea why people are just overlooking the obvious - Newey leaves, and the team becomes lost in how to develop the car or get it in shape over a weekend. That's extremely unlikely to just be some coincidence. He was not some unimportant figure, no matter how much Horner tries to claim so.
When Newey first went up for sale basically most every person here at f1 tech wanted him on their favorite team or on a team with their favorite driver—or in some cases, where their favorite driver is going next year. Now that Newey’s gone to AM, those same people are coping hard, and giving every excuse they can muster to convince themselves they didn’t need him in the first place. Lol.
As for Horner it’s clear from what I’ve read here, that this is just collateral damage to Horner who seems to be in a one track mindset to turn Red Bull into a ultra car manufacturer like Ferrari or Macca with him as the originator and boss. So everything is secondary to that endeavor.
The way he is dismissing the need for Newey on the team is shameful. Especially after all the success they enjoyed with Newey on the team. But again, it all comes back to the larger view, and in fact, I think Horner would maybe prefer to restart the team in a way similar to what a new coach does in the NFL. Often there is a clearing out of all but just a handful of coaches when a new coach comes in to take over. Horner seems to be doing this and so losing a lot of the team maybe he sees as just opportunity for him to showcase his talent to build a team, rather than concern for the current situation.
I think he thought he could ride 2024 pretty easy to both the championships (the signing of Checo smells of this), and it now it seems he may not get either.
So you say that RB even though they had Newey who is one of the last remaining dinosaurs that had knowledge of ground effect cars from the previous era, they designed a car that had no porpoising and it was almost a perfect car without his influence and knowledge?Bill wrote: ↑09 Sep 2024, 13:49Newey had not being involved in f1 car design for the last 2 years that just facts .he was working on a road car.ground effect cars are are a difficult beast and all teams are having balance issues at some point .the problem with redbull is that they a having issues with older parts which were not problematic on earlier races ,so the question is why have the lost something on the car which aided driverbilty ealier.Chuckjr wrote: ↑08 Sep 2024, 00:15Because they are living in denial.Seanspeed wrote: ↑06 Sep 2024, 12:13Red Bull, at least when Newey was there, had been extremely good at not getting caught out, and adapting quickly to any issues they did have with the car. Like, do people really not understand that RB's dominance of 2009-2013 ended largely cuz in 2014 and for nearly half a decade afterwards, they had an uncompetitive engine? As soon as the engine became competitive again, they were right back at the front. They've honestly been the most consistently strong team on the grid for a long time if we're counting the things that were actually under their control.
I still have no idea why people are just overlooking the obvious - Newey leaves, and the team becomes lost in how to develop the car or get it in shape over a weekend. That's extremely unlikely to just be some coincidence. He was not some unimportant figure, no matter how much Horner tries to claim so.
When Newey first went up for sale basically most every person here at f1 tech wanted him on their favorite team or on a team with their favorite driver—or in some cases, where their favorite driver is going next year. Now that Newey’s gone to AM, those same people are coping hard, and giving every excuse they can muster to convince themselves they didn’t need him in the first place. Lol.
As for Horner it’s clear from what I’ve read here, that this is just collateral damage to Horner who seems to be in a one track mindset to turn Red Bull into a ultra car manufacturer like Ferrari or Macca with him as the originator and boss. So everything is secondary to that endeavor.
The way he is dismissing the need for Newey on the team is shameful. Especially after all the success they enjoyed with Newey on the team. But again, it all comes back to the larger view, and in fact, I think Horner would maybe prefer to restart the team in a way similar to what a new coach does in the NFL. Often there is a clearing out of all but just a handful of coaches when a new coach comes in to take over. Horner seems to be doing this and so losing a lot of the team maybe he sees as just opportunity for him to showcase his talent to build a team, rather than concern for the current situation.
I think he thought he could ride 2024 pretty easy to both the championships (the signing of Checo smells of this), and it now it seems he may not get either.
In the 2 race weekends, they tested parts of the Bahrain spec, the Hungary spec, and the Japan spec over race distances. They decided on the Japan spec. They were even able to compare the aero balance and balance migration of the Japan spec to the latest spec on the same circuit (Monza race vs Monza test). All of this data would have been useful for understanding why they should go back to Japan spec. I think it's clear that the bad updates started with the Imola floor. I pointed this out a long time ago. This is the first race that the gap between Perez and Verstappen became unmanageable.
