2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Leclerc put in multiple essentially perfect laps today but he was nowhere near pole. What's funny is he cleaned up all the turns he was having issues with yesterday, it just didn't matter.

The last run was horribly planned. They shouldn't have waited so long to go out. Both drivers suffered because of it.

I'm disappointed, but I guess between P5 and P7 is where we knew they'd be so it's not that bad. The main positive I can see here is both drivers are on the odd side of the grid, which should be much cleaner than the even side.

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Massive underperformance by McL in quali in any event.

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How do the Ferraris keep ending up with cold tyres in Q3? I don’t get it. The tyres hold on for several laps so a second prep lap shouldn’t be a problem, right?

Onviously this is very much a laymans take on things and they probably have their reasons, but I still don’t get how it keeps happening week in, week out.

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bananapeel23 wrote:
30 Nov 2024, 21:15
How do the Ferraris keep ending up with cold tyres in Q3? I don’t get it. The tyres hold on for several laps so a second prep lap shouldn’t be a problem, right?

Onviously this is very much a laymans take on things and they probably have their reasons, but I still don’t get how it keeps happening week in, week out.
The prep lap is absolutely crucial with these (garbage) tyres. You have to put them in the correct window without extracting life (therefore grip) out of them.

Probably the way with the mechanical and aero platform work in combination with the brakes makes it very difficult for the driver to achieve what they want. Leclerc has been suffering from this issue more than Sainz this season (despite performing better on average).

Vegas is a great example. Leclerc was absolutely nowhere in S1 and was one of the slowest driver on track !

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bananapeel23 wrote:How do the Ferraris keep ending up with cold tyres in Q3? I don’t get it. The tyres hold on for several laps so a second prep lap shouldn’t be a problem, right?

Onviously this is very much a laymans take on things and they probably have their reasons, but I still don’t get how it keeps happening week in, week out.
That’s just how the car is. You are asking them to be absolutely perfect each second, while other cars can have duels and get have traffic blockages in their out laps and still end up with huge laps…

The car is what it is.

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Xyz22 wrote:
30 Nov 2024, 21:08
Very disappointed by Sainz. Usually these are his conditions to shine.
Both of the drivers did well today, neither of them made huge errors. Ultimately, they were fighting a car which is currently not well balanced and the track conditions are working against them. I imagine it's a lot easier for us to be disappointed than it is for them to execute the lap.

Regarding the tire warm up... considering it's been months of this issue, they either 1. don't know how to fix it, or 2. don't know how to fix it without sacrificing pace. They aren't going to fix it between now and AD.

I miss celebrating Leclerc's poles, but I don't miss going into every weekend knowing the car has no race pace.

Unrelated, Sainz got noted for an unsafe release and is off to the stewards. Will probably be a team fine.

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Leclerc needs to pass one of the McLarens immediately tomorrow if he wants to chase down Russell/Verstappen.

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bananapeel23 wrote:
30 Nov 2024, 21:30
Leclerc needs to pass one of the McLarens immediately tomorrow if he wants to chase down Russell/Verstappen.
I'm more than confident that in the race Lando won't drag Oscar like he did today, at least not until the pitstop.
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Overtaking on track looked extremely difficult in the sprint. Leclerc wasn't gaining anything on Lewis.

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What happened with our drs?
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Not the best performance but I think the drivers got what they could out of the car.

Will take a miracle to change positions significantly in the race.

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Post-qualifying interviews

Leclerc

Both of my laps were really good. There wasn't much difference between them in any of the corners, I was doing the same lap times. That was the maximum the car could do today. So P5 is not great, but at the same time we got the McLaren right in front of us, so it could have been worse. We need a good start, good first few laps to try to pass one of them and put the pressure on the other.

I think we're fast in the long runs, but as I was saying this morning, overtaking is very complicated and difficult. We probably aren't going to be able to use that pace to the fullest. But we'll see, every race is different.
Sainz

We were about 2 or 3 tenths off with the soft tires over the weekend, and that's what we missed in Q3 today, 2 or 3 tenths. Compared to Charles, I was missing a bit more. In the last run of Q3, I didn't have a slipstream, and I was losing quite a bit on the straights. But honestly, there's not much more to it, P5 is the maximum for us today. It's exactly what we expected coming into the weekend, 2 or 3 tenths behind the leader, whoever that leader is.

Let's just see if something happens in the race tomorrow. We've been having understeer issues, but only with the soft tire, so maybe in the race tomorrow we'll look much better.
Vasseur

Everyone tries to get the most out of the car, and you can't just choose a setup that's better for for qualifying. Today it was more about tire management on the warm-up lap than just the setup alone. For this reason, there were sometimes significant variations in performance levels between different teams and drivers. The best strategy is a one-stop race, and we're well equipped for that. If we need to switch to a two-stop strategy, the choice between using a Medium or Hard tire will depend on the timing of a potential Safety Car.

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Braking into T1, almost every Q3 lap saw this 1-2 tenths loss this year

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And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
30 Nov 2024, 21:59
Post-qualifying interviews

Leclerc

Both of my laps were really good. There wasn't much difference between them in any of the corners, I was doing the same lap times. That was the maximum the car could do today. So P5 is not great, but at the same time we got the McLaren right in front of us, so it could have been worse. We need a good start, good first few laps to try to pass one of them and put the pressure on the other.

I think we're fast in the long runs, but as I was saying this morning, overtaking is very complicated and difficult. We probably aren't going to be able to use that pace to the fullest. But we'll see, every race is different.
Sainz

We were about 2 or 3 tenths off with the soft tires over the weekend, and that's what we missed in Q3 today, 2 or 3 tenths. Compared to Charles, I was missing a bit more. In the last run of Q3, I didn't have a slipstream, and I was losing quite a bit on the straights. But honestly, there's not much more to it, P5 is the maximum for us today. It's exactly what we expected coming into the weekend, 2 or 3 tenths behind the leader, whoever that leader is.

Let's just see if something happens in the race tomorrow. We've been having understeer issues, but only with the soft tire, so maybe in the race tomorrow we'll look much better.
Vasseur

Everyone tries to get the most out of the car, and you can't just choose a setup that's better for for qualifying. Today it was more about tire management on the warm-up lap than just the setup alone. For this reason, there were sometimes significant variations in performance levels between different teams and drivers. The best strategy is a one-stop race, and we're well equipped for that. If we need to switch to a two-stop strategy, the choice between using a Medium or Hard tire will depend on the timing of a potential Safety Car.
Well, at least they’re encouraged about the long runs, which I wasn’t sure if they would be or not after the sprint. Feels like they may need to be patient tomorrow but aim will be to outscore McLaren and anything else is a bonus. Even that will be hard but Piastri didn’t look strong in the sprint.

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Having both orange cars ahead sucks.

LEC needs a decent start to split them but then he needs 2-3 laps to ease into the tires and that's not going to be easy