2022 Alpine F1 Team

[peewon]

Alpine (Renault) were actually already operating above the current budget cap, they were the 4th team with the largest budget as of 2 seasons ago… I don’t think meeting the budget cap was an issue.

Didn't budkowski say in december that alpine wasn't actually operating at the budget cap?

In 2018 Renault’s budget was reported to be 190 million
In 2019 Renault’s budget was reported to be 210 million
For the 2020 season, the Renault budget was reported to be 272 million

It would be very surprising if in 2021 they were operating way below the budget cap, but historically the team has been well funded and would be surprising if in fact they aren’t at the budget cap already.

Any source for those figures? Ive heard Budkowski say recently they werent spending upto the proposed budget cap which is well below these figures? Maybe this includes things not considered under the budget cap.

[peewon]

Prost was asked specifically on IG about Alonso with regards to his exit "Is it because Alonso is starting to destroy everything?"

Prost reply was: "Not at all, he's the best and very proper"


https://i.redd.it/wj1uxn8lwhc81.jpg


Rossi's impact cant be judged for 4-5 years. The 2022 car and the new PU have been worked on for quite a while so the results of that, good or bad, involve the contributions of those who've been let go, from Cyril, Taffin, Budkowski and maybe even Prost to some extent.

So… If the 2022 Alpine ends up been a great car… Was it a mistake to let go those that were involved with it?

That's a very good question. These guys are managers...so what do they do aside from managing people? They don't design anything.

I think management side can be quite crucial to the on-track performance. From raising sponsorship, identifying and hiring the technical staff to putting in place the right team structure.

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So… If the 2022 Alpine ends up been a great car… Was it a mistake to let go those that were involved with it?

That's a very good question. These guys are managers...so what do they do aside from managing people? They don't design anything.

I think management side can be quite crucial to the on-track performance. From raising sponsorship, identifying and hiring the technical staff to putting in place the right team structure.

They manage budgets too...

[diffuser]

Didn't budkowski say in december that alpine wasn't actually operating at the budget cap?

In 2018 Renault’s budget was reported to be 190 million
In 2019 Renault’s budget was reported to be 210 million
For the 2020 season, the Renault budget was reported to be 272 million

It would be very surprising if in 2021 they were operating way below the budget cap, but historically the team has been well funded and would be surprising if in fact they aren’t at the budget cap already.

Any source for those figures? Ive heard Budkowski say recently they werent spending upto the proposed budget cap which is well below these figures? Maybe this includes things not considered under the budget cap.

A quick google search found
https://beyondtheflag.com/2019/11/06/fo ... impending/

https://www.essentiallysports.com/what- ... eams-2019/

So yes. I also read the same thing from Budkowski. That was Renault, this is Alpine. That's why a cool $20 M from BWT would be nice.

[SmallSoldier]

Prost was asked specifically on IG about Alonso with regards to his exit "Is it because Alonso is starting to destroy everything?"

Prost reply was: "Not at all, he's the best and very proper"


https://i.redd.it/wj1uxn8lwhc81.jpg


Rossi's impact cant be judged for 4-5 years. The 2022 car and the new PU have been worked on for quite a while so the results of that, good or bad, involve the contributions of those who've been let go, from Cyril, Taffin, Budkowski and maybe even Prost to some extent.

So… If the 2022 Alpine ends up been a great car… Was it a mistake to let go those that were involved with it?

That's a very good question. These guys are managers...so what do they do aside from managing people? They don't design anything.

I don’t disagree… But, it’s interesting how we assign responsibility depending on the result… On the one hand, if the results aren’t there, it’s their fault and they should go… But, if the result is there, they are only managers and they don’t design anything

I just hope that this are good changes for Alpine and that it helps maintain them in the grid for the foreseeable future.

[SmallSoldier]

Didn't budkowski say in december that alpine wasn't actually operating at the budget cap?

In 2018 Renault’s budget was reported to be 190 million
In 2019 Renault’s budget was reported to be 210 million
For the 2020 season, the Renault budget was reported to be 272 million

It would be very surprising if in 2021 they were operating way below the budget cap, but historically the team has been well funded and would be surprising if in fact they aren’t at the budget cap already.

Any source for those figures? Ive heard Budkowski say recently they werent spending upto the proposed budget cap which is well below these figures? Maybe this includes things not considered under the budget cap.

I can try to dig the links, but if I’m not wrong it was on racefans.net and a couple other publications… A quick google search “Renault 2019 Budget” would provide with several links

[diffuser]

In 2018 Renault’s budget was reported to be 190 million
In 2019 Renault’s budget was reported to be 210 million
For the 2020 season, the Renault budget was reported to be 272 million

It would be very surprising if in 2021 they were operating way below the budget cap, but historically the team has been well funded and would be surprising if in fact they aren’t at the budget cap already.

Any source for those figures? Ive heard Budkowski say recently they werent spending upto the proposed budget cap which is well below these figures? Maybe this includes things not considered under the budget cap.

I can try to dig the links, but if I’m not wrong it was on racefans.net and a couple other publications… A quick google search “Renault 2019 Budget” would provide with several links

I supplied some links above.

[SmallSoldier]

Any source for those figures? Ive heard Budkowski say recently they werent spending upto the proposed budget cap which is well below these figures? Maybe this includes things not considered under the budget cap.

I can try to dig the links, but if I’m not wrong it was on racefans.net and a couple other publications… A quick google search “Renault 2019 Budget” would provide with several links

I supplied some links above.

Thanks!

[peewon]

In 2018 Renault’s budget was reported to be 190 million
In 2019 Renault’s budget was reported to be 210 million
For the 2020 season, the Renault budget was reported to be 272 million

It would be very surprising if in 2021 they were operating way below the budget cap, but historically the team has been well funded and would be surprising if in fact they aren’t at the budget cap already.

Any source for those figures? Ive heard Budkowski say recently they werent spending upto the proposed budget cap which is well below these figures? Maybe this includes things not considered under the budget cap.

A quick google search found
https://beyondtheflag.com/2019/11/06/fo ... impending/

https://www.essentiallysports.com/what- ... eams-2019/

So yes. I also read the same thing from Budkowski. That was Renault, this is Alpine. That's why a cool $20 M from BWT would be nice.

Thanks! Probably should've looked it up but Budkowski's statement was quite contradictory so it threw me off.

“It is the first car we are designing under the cost cap – we are not at the cap, we are below – so it is actually not impacting us but it is impacting our competitors. In relative terms it gives us a better platform and a better position.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alpi ... i/6930358/

[peewon]

[stan_french]

Any source for those figures? Ive heard Budkowski say recently they werent spending upto the proposed budget cap which is well below these figures? Maybe this includes things not considered under the budget cap.

A quick google search found
https://beyondtheflag.com/2019/11/06/fo ... impending/

https://www.essentiallysports.com/what- ... eams-2019/

So yes. I also read the same thing from Budkowski. That was Renault, this is Alpine. That's why a cool $20 M from BWT would be nice.

Thanks! Probably should've looked it up but Budkowski's statement was quite contradictory so it threw me off.

“It is the first car we are designing under the cost cap – we are not at the cap, we are below – so it is actually not impacting us but it is impacting our competitors. In relative terms it gives us a better platform and a better position.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alpi ... i/6930358/

Thank you, ive been trying to find this link, and i googled so many pleaces but i couldnt find it!

[peewon]

Any source for those figures? Ive heard Budkowski say recently they werent spending upto the proposed budget cap which is well below these figures? Maybe this includes things not considered under the budget cap.

I can try to dig the links, but if I’m not wrong it was on racefans.net and a couple other publications… A quick google search “Renault 2019 Budget” would provide with several links

I supplied some links above.

It bears noting that most of these sources all either quote each other or forbes or rely on the tax filings of the companies based in UK. And figures for tax purposes are different from budgeted items so Budkowski's statement may not be contradictory to these figures after all.

[diffuser]

Soon to be 1 month away, just a bit longer than a SUMMER BREAK, from the first 2022 test session.

[SmallSoldier]

I can try to dig the links, but if I’m not wrong it was on racefans.net and a couple other publications… A quick google search “Renault 2019 Budget” would provide with several links

I supplied some links above.

It bears noting that most of these sources all either quote each other or forbes or rely on the tax filings of the companies based in UK. And figures for tax purposes are different from budgeted items so Budkowski's statement may not be contradictory to these figures after all.

Keep in mind that the budget cap doesn’t include several items such as:

All Marketing Costs
Drivers Wages
Salaries of the Top 3 Executives / Employees of the Team

With a Budget cap at 145 million and considering the above items, the numbers aren’t off for the reported Budgets in previous years.

[Jolle]

I supplied some links above.

It bears noting that most of these sources all either quote each other or forbes or rely on the tax filings of the companies based in UK. And figures for tax purposes are different from budgeted items so Budkowski's statement may not be contradictory to these figures after all.

Keep in mind that the budget cap doesn’t include several items such as:

All Marketing Costs
Drivers Wages
Salaries of the Top 3 Executives / Employees of the Team

With a Budget cap at 145 million and considering the above items, the numbers aren’t off for the reported Budgets in previous years.

Plus of course all the other activities that are not within the budget cap, like the applied sciences departments the big teams have or projects not related to the F1 car (like for instance working on a technical solution for a road car). Etc etc.

With team budgets reaching 400-500 million, when you strip it down, even Mercedes and Ferrari were fairly close to the cost cap before it was introduced.