2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[deadhead]

Excuse me if it was posted and I missed it, but was the rumor of Ferrari moving away from Brembo true?

not true，just a fake news

Can’t they run CI on car 44 if requested by the driver?

I remember one team running Brembo and CI but not sure

[dialtone]

Excuse me if it was posted and I missed it, but was the rumor of Ferrari moving away from Brembo true?

not true，just a fake news

Can’t they run CI on car 44 if requested by the driver?

I remember one team running Brembo and CI but not sure

Why would they switch when Brembo is an hour away and does whatever Ferrari wants?

[Lasssept]

Can’t they run CI on car 44 if requested by the driver?

I remember one team running Brembo and CI but not sure

W15

Brake System: Carbone Industries Carbon / Carbon discs and pads with rear brake-by-wire
Brake System: Brembo monobloc calipers in nickel-plated aluminium alloy machined from solid block (front and rear)

https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/f1-w15-20 ... ifications

[GhostF1]

Can’t they run CI on car 44 if requested by the driver?

I remember one team running Brembo and CI but not sure

W15

Brake System: Carbone Industries Carbon / Carbon discs and pads with rear brake-by-wire
Brake System: Brembo monobloc calipers in nickel-plated aluminium alloy machined from solid block (front and rear)

https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/f1-w15-20 ... ifications

This seems sort of worded that the calipers are Brembo but the pads and discs are C.I.
Not two completely different brake systems between cars.

Wasn't Haas at one point experimenting with Grosjean both brake systems?

[bananapeel23]

This year's car had some very clear foundational weaknesses that prevented the team and drivers from having anything that could be considered the 'best' car. And having the best car is always the goal.

I would argue the Ferrari was narrowly the best car from Monza until McLaren brought the new floor in Mexico. Still, overall across the season McLaren was clearly the best car.

[PlatinumZealot]

This year's car had some very clear foundational weaknesses that prevented the team and drivers from having anything that could be considered the 'best' car. And having the best car is always the goal.

If 2025 were to start where 2024 left off, Mclaren would be massive favorites for both WDC and WCC. Ferrari has a great driver pairing, but we cant rely on Mclaren and Norris having mess-ups all season long. We need to produce an equal or better car to actually grasp the title chances in our hands, rather than just hoping it slips through Mclaren's fingers in our favor.

And to get such a car with a higher performance floor and ceiling, we clearly need to take some more chances on design. It's risky, but it must be done.

It's also pretty crucial to get the 2025 foundation as good as it could be, because no team can afford to devote development resources to the 2025 car all season long for a title battle.

I understand all of that, just saying that developing a new front suspension with all of the risks that entails is almost a leap of faith at the tail end of a regulatory set. No do-overs or revision like 2023 to 2024. Of course, it could very much payoff and put Ferrari in a place where they can explore new avenues of development. But there's significant downside risk as well.

I'm no F1 engineer though and I'm sure they have more than enough data support the decision. Fingers crossed it works out.

If you're playing scared, you're losing.

The current regulations were originally meant to come in 2021, but that of course got delayed. And at the time, it was largely expected that the 2021 cars would be fairly simple evolutions of the previous year's cars, which obviously were meant to be 'last in line' for that set of regulations. But it was clear immediately upon seeing the debuts of the new 2021 cars that the top teams were absolutely insistent on pushing. Perhaps nothing super radical, but absolutely teams willing to keep pushing hard rather than treating it like some lazy bridge year. And Red Bull ended Mercedes' reign of terror, retaking the title they hadn't won since 2013.

Red Bull not only pushed very hard with the base of the 2021 car, but they still managed to maintain a healthy development program for the new regulation 2022 car at the same time. And while Ferrari isn't exactly Red Bull(and there's no Newey involved here), the idea is still pretty clear - you have to aim high and cant leave opportunities on the table.

2021 rules was a castration of the Mercedes stallion. FIA knew the car's strength (or achilles heel if you will) after noticing the care they took in developing that part of the floor and their low ride height, and went straight for it! There were so many things in 2021 that were oh so not right! and only with a clear lens looking back will the broader motorsport world acknowledge it.

[PlatinumZealot]

We need to produce an equal or better car to actually grasp the title chances in our hands, rather than just hoping it slips through Mclaren's fingers in our favor.

And to get such a car with a higher performance floor and ceiling, we clearly need to take some more chances on design. It's risky, but it must be done.

"We" ??

Next year will be fun..

You've been watching F1 and sports long enough in your life to know this is an extremely common way of talking about the team you support. Good lord. smh

No, not that... what I mean is that I didn't know you were a Tifosi... (since when?) gulp! You need a few assault rifles and riot shields for next year!

[SharkY]

I'm not sure, if it was discussed before, but is Ferrari always losing time in the VSC?
The latest example was in Abu Dhabi, where Sainz lost around 1s to the cars around (on the other hand, he was a bit compromised by Lando braking heavily in T11). I can't find the data to support, but from memory, it always seems, that they are losing a bit, and I can't remember any time, the opposite has happened. And that issue goes back a few years, I clearly remember Charles losing around 0,5s to Max in Saudi '22.

If I'm not delusional, what might be the cause of that? Is it some fault of software, that displays the deltas to the driver? Bad UI on the steering wheel? Bad communication with engineers?

[Mattchu]

Can’t they run CI on car 44 if requested by the driver?

I remember one team running Brembo and CI but not sure

W15

Brake System: Carbone Industries Carbon / Carbon discs and pads with rear brake-by-wire
Brake System: Brembo monobloc calipers in nickel-plated aluminium alloy machined from solid block (front and rear)

https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/f1-w15-20 ... ifications

This seems sort of worded that the calipers are Brembo but the pads and discs are C.I.
Not two completely different brake systems between cars.

Wasn't Haas at one point experimenting with Grosjean both brake systems?

Every team on the grid used Brembo calipers last year, some opted to use Carbon Industrie discs and pads. I suppose it`s driver preference. Whether Brembo will allow their long term partner Ferrari to sue the same combination is something I doubt very much, but we`ll see...

From Brembo:

In 2024, Brembo's comprehensive presence on the starting grid is confirmed: the Brembo Group will once again supply its brake calipers to all 10 teams.Specifically, 9 teams will be equipped with Brembo calipers, while one team will be supplied with AP Racing calipers, a company based in Coventry and part of the Bergamo-based group. Brembo will provide calipers with up to 6 pistons to all drivers on the grid, which is the maximum number set by the regulations, made of solid aluminum and nickel-plated.

[RonMexico]

I understand all of that, just saying that developing a new front suspension with all of the risks that entails is almost a leap of faith at the tail end of a regulatory set. No do-overs or revision like 2023 to 2024. Of course, it could very much payoff and put Ferrari in a place where they can explore new avenues of development. But there's significant downside risk as well.

I'm no F1 engineer though and I'm sure they have more than enough data support the decision. Fingers crossed it works out.

If you're playing scared, you're losing.

The current regulations were originally meant to come in 2021, but that of course got delayed. And at the time, it was largely expected that the 2021 cars would be fairly simple evolutions of the previous year's cars, which obviously were meant to be 'last in line' for that set of regulations. But it was clear immediately upon seeing the debuts of the new 2021 cars that the top teams were absolutely insistent on pushing. Perhaps nothing super radical, but absolutely teams willing to keep pushing hard rather than treating it like some lazy bridge year. And Red Bull ended Mercedes' reign of terror, retaking the title they hadn't won since 2013.

Red Bull not only pushed very hard with the base of the 2021 car, but they still managed to maintain a healthy development program for the new regulation 2022 car at the same time. And while Ferrari isn't exactly Red Bull(and there's no Newey involved here), the idea is still pretty clear - you have to aim high and cant leave opportunities on the table.

2021 rules was a castration of the Mercedes stallion. FIA knew the car's strength (or achilles heel if you will) after noticing the care they took in developing that part of the floor and their low ride height, and went straight for it! There were so many things in 2021 that were oh so not right! and only with a clear lens looking back will the broader motorsport world acknowledge it.

Revisionism.

Less (read none) of the 2021 talk in here because it had nothing to do with Ferrari, time to move on

[SKYnRacing24]

Can’t they run CI on car 44 if requested by the driver?

I remember one team running Brembo and CI but not sure

W15

Brake System: Carbone Industries Carbon / Carbon discs and pads with rear brake-by-wire
Brake System: Brembo monobloc calipers in nickel-plated aluminium alloy machined from solid block (front and rear)

https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/f1-w15-20 ... ifications

Interesting..... This reminds me of Lewis's issues with the w04 in 2013 when he was struggling to adapt to the brakes/braking system. I remember a thread on it on autosport forum. Good times
https://forums.autosport.com/topic/1867 ... kes-split/

edit. With further reading there are quotes from Lewis himself and it wouldn't surprise me if these issues crop up again with his bed in period with the new car.

[dialtone]

If I'm not delusional, what might be the cause of that? Is it some fault of software, that displays the deltas to the driver? Bad UI on the steering wheel? Bad communication with engineers?

Luck mostly.

If you did a whole straight during VSC while someone else does the corners only and the straights when it ends, you end up losing time

If 2 cars are on a straight and the VSC ends, the one in front will always lose time to the one behind, how much depends on how much of the straight is left and the distance between the cars, but ahead loses.

[Seanspeed]

"We" ??

Next year will be fun..

You've been watching F1 and sports long enough in your life to know this is an extremely common way of talking about the team you support. Good lord. smh

No, not that... what I mean is that I didn't know you were a Tifosi... (since when?) gulp! You need a few assault rifles and riot shields for next year!

Oh my bad. Never been anything except a Ferrari fan! Even before I started watching F1/racing, they were my favorite car brand(which is why I chose to support them in F1).

And certainly not looking forward to the driver discussions next year, no doubt. lol

[catent]

but Alonso didn't have many performances where I recall him having a uniquely strong drive and elevating the racecar. Heck, he was pretty well schooled at COTA by Lawson during wheel-to-wheel.

In COTA Aston brought the final update package of the year which, again, was another total failure that made the car worse. It had so much visible understeer on onboards where you had to steer more than any other team for the car to turn. That Alonso put it on Q3 was a big overperformance already, Lawson did not school anyone.

Alonso scored 27 points after the summer break.

Stroll scored...... 0

Alonso did incredibly well, his car was just awful.

Leclerc and Verstappen absolutely put on the most impressive performances that grabbed attention. Leclerc's drive in Abu Dhabi was arguably the best of his career, and the same goes for Verstappen in Brazil, but it's hard for Alonso to impress with a car that sucks.

Most don't pay attention to what happens outside of the lead cars or their favourite team. It's okay to be fair. Not relevant to Ferrari F1 team thread

Thanks for the context about Aston's development trajectory. You're correct, I don't follow Aston Martin closely so my comment was unfair.

[yooogurt]