Mercedes W12

[Jolle]

Sounds fun, but that's probably one of the oldest tricks in the book. It's really being overhyped; The rear squats under speed. We've already spotted the same thing on the Red Bull earlier this season, and before that as well.

The Mercedes CLR that ran at the Le Mans Air Show in 1999 used the same trick to reduce drag.

Williams had it in 1991 with their active suspension. A squad button on the wheel.
This seems to be a fined tuned suspension that compresses quite a lot under the load of the downforce, when there is no rolling motion.

[Hoffman900]

Sounds fun, but that's probably one of the oldest tricks in the book. It's really being overhyped; The rear squats under speed. We've already spotted the same thing on the Red Bull earlier this season, and before that as well.

The Mercedes CLR that ran at the Le Mans Air Show in 1999 used the same trick to reduce drag.

Williams had it in 1991 with their active suspension. A squad button on the wheel.
This seems to be a fined tuned suspension that compresses quite a lot under the load of the downforce, when there is no rolling motion.

Williams did it with a hydraulic suspension.

This has been done with a traditional type damper / spring suspension for 25 years.

[west52keep64]

This "ride height device" is exactly what Mark Hughes recently described in an article (taken with a pinch of salt) about Red Bull recently, is it not? So potentially what's being suggested here is Mercedes have moved their car more towards a higher rake setup?

[MtthsMlw]

I think Scarbs explains it quite well in this thread

[Hoffman900]

I think Scarbs explains it quite well in this thread
https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1 ... 3624944642

He did. It’s old tech that the working group has continued to allow.

[Just_a_fan]

I think Scarbs explains it quite well in this thread
https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1 ... 3624944642

He did. It’s old tech that the working group has continued to allow.

The working group is the teams.

[Zynerji]

I think Scarbs explains it quite well in this thread
https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1 ... 3624944642

He did. It’s old tech that the working group has continued to allow.

This is movable aero in the same manner as the TMD, and should be banned for all teams immediately...

[munudeges]

I think this is being terribly overblown. None of this is new and teams have known about this for a long time. What I think Mercedes have hit on is how it works with their own aerodynamics. It appears they have got around the rake performance issues they had at the start of the season. They're obviously quite confident in this.

[Just_a_fan]

I think Scarbs explains it quite well in this thread
https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1 ... 3624944642

He did. It’s old tech that the working group has continued to allow.

This is movable aero in the same manner as the TMD, and should be banned for all teams immediately...

Ban all suspension movement then...

[munudeges]

That's just it, I have no idea how you would 'ban' this. It's all suspension.

[SiLo]

There is nothing to ban, this isn't even new. Why are Sky acting like it's some new big invention?

[Zynerji]

There is nothing to ban, this isn't even new. Why are Sky acting like it's some new big invention?

It is extracurricular use of the suspension system, specifically moving for aero benefit.

Just like the TMD...

[Hoffman900]

There is nothing to ban, this isn't even new. Why are Sky acting like it's some new big invention?

New audiences + hype + Paul di Resta + the general fan's memory is only one race weekend long.

[void]

This is movable aero in the same manner as the TMD, and should be banned for all teams immediately...

If only downforce is changing the ride height and stalls the diffuser it's in compliance with the rules.

10.2.4 Any powered device which is capable of altering the configuration or affecting the
performance of any part of any suspension system is forbidden.

[Hoffman900]

There is nothing to ban, this isn't even new. Why are Sky acting like it's some new big invention?

It is extracurricular use of the suspension system, specifically moving for aero benefit.

Just like the TMD...

Scarbs:

This tech has be talked about in the teams/FIA Tech Working Group, but always was agreed to be retained

/end.