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There was only 9/100ths between them on the Q1 final run, prior to that Daniel was ahead by around 3/10ths on most of his runs, so that seems plausible.
Driver inputs come in primarily for setup and overall aero balance. All the previous updates worked well and made both drivers faster, so trying to pin this on Daniel is just silly.
Hmm, sounds like they just haven’t found the performance sweet spot for the car yet. I hope they figure it out soon.Wouter wrote: ↑22 Jun 2024, 22:412024 Spanish GP: Qualifying
Jody Egginton (Technical Director)
“It’s fair to say that despite the hard work by everyone and changes made overnight, combined with initial feedback on the updates highlighting that on a macro level they have broadly met expectations, we have not been able to extract enough from the car so far here in Barcelona. With the midfield battle being so close, it’s very easy to go to the back of the group if you are struggling, which is what we have unfortunately seen today. In terms of car balance, there has been some improvement. This alone has not been enough, so clearly, we have a lot of homework to do tonight, but also ahead of Austria, to extract more from the car and a large part of this work will be analysing in detail the aero data we have gathered here in Barcelona. On the flip side, both drivers have done a good job of supporting the engineering team with feedback on the numerous test items we have evaluated here and also extracting the maximum from the cars we have been able to provide them with, so we have plenty of data to work with to make the necessary steps forward.”
Yeah its just negative bias to assert this is Dan's fault. The upgrades are working in essence but they are just not able to extract enough time from them *yet*. There is alot of upgrades and its not like this hasn't occured before including at other teams too where upgrades don't quite correlate out on track and need some more investigation and adjustments to get them working at an optimum level. It happens.
I think there is a lack of tire understanding at play here. That's usually how a Q3 car becomes a Q1 car overnight.djos wrote: ↑22 Jun 2024, 23:49Hmm, sounds like they just haven’t found the performance sweet spot for the car yet. I hope they figure it out soon.Wouter wrote: ↑22 Jun 2024, 22:412024 Spanish GP: Qualifying
Jody Egginton (Technical Director)
“It’s fair to say that despite the hard work by everyone and changes made overnight, combined with initial feedback on the updates highlighting that on a macro level they have broadly met expectations, we have not been able to extract enough from the car so far here in Barcelona. With the midfield battle being so close, it’s very easy to go to the back of the group if you are struggling, which is what we have unfortunately seen today. In terms of car balance, there has been some improvement. This alone has not been enough, so clearly, we have a lot of homework to do tonight, but also ahead of Austria, to extract more from the car and a large part of this work will be analysing in detail the aero data we have gathered here in Barcelona. On the flip side, both drivers have done a good job of supporting the engineering team with feedback on the numerous test items we have evaluated here and also extracting the maximum from the cars we have been able to provide them with, so we have plenty of data to work with to make the necessary steps forward.”
No that not bias the team have explicit that they are going to make the car comfortable for ric,i was just posing a question .the went from fighting russell in miami to fighting backmarkers in barcelona.runningmanz wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 03:52Yeah its just negative bias to assert this is Dan's fault. The upgrades are working in essence but they are just not able to extract enough time from them *yet*. There is alot of upgrades and its not like this hasn't occured before including at other teams too where upgrades don't quite correlate out on track and need some more investigation and adjustments to get them working at an optimum level. It happens.
Before this weekend at Canada the car looked quick and was on a good upward trajectory so hopefully just a small bump in the road in regards to upgrades and car performance progression.
They have been saying that long before this weekend. Besides that Yuki said he wants the same things out of the car as Dan. Up until this race the car was quick and as Mekies said ahead of schedule where they thought they would be . Previously they thought they might be there by mid year. Hopefully these upgrades just needs some fine tuning as they mentioned essentially they were working but they just need to extract more speed out of them. One race is not a pattern..Bill wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 16:56No that not bias the team have explicit that they are going to make the car comfortable for ric,i was just posing a question .the went from fighting russell in miami to fighting backmarkers in barcelona.runningmanz wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 03:52Yeah its just negative bias to assert this is Dan's fault. The upgrades are working in essence but they are just not able to extract enough time from them *yet*. There is alot of upgrades and its not like this hasn't occured before including at other teams too where upgrades don't quite correlate out on track and need some more investigation and adjustments to get them working at an optimum level. It happens.
Before this weekend at Canada the car looked quick and was on a good upward trajectory so hopefully just a small bump in the road in regards to upgrades and car performance progression.
Drivers and Team’s quotes after the race [Spanish GP]
Jody Egginton (Technical Director)
“With the qualifying positions we had, we knew that it would be difficult to score points and we needed to be ready to try something different if the race provided the opportunity, but unfortunately it did not. Daniel’s pace and degradation on the medium compound in his middle stint was reasonable and he was able to close on the group of cars ahead including Alonso, Stroll and Bottas. However, some blue flags immediately after his second stop cost him some time and he lost touch with this group for a while. Although his pace was comparable, we could not get back onto this pack. Yuki was not happy with the balance of his car and although the guys worked hard to try and improve this via tools and flap adjustments, it was still difficult. We need to have a good look over the car when it’s out of Parc fermé and see if we can find anything obvious. Looking at the bigger picture from this weekend, we have a lot of analysis to complete ahead of Austria next weekend in order to understand in more detail why we have underperformed here in Barcelona relative to our expectations and our general level of performance up to this point in the season. We’ll then apply this learning to our preparations for Austria.”
Laurent Mekies (Team Principal)
“We came here with high hopes for the upgrades that everyone back in the factory has worked so hard to design and produce as part of our aggressive development strategy. Unfortunately, right from the start of Free Practice we were lacking pace in every session. There is no point denying this was a poor weekend for us and although the gaps were very small, we’re not going to make excuses for the fact we just weren’t competitive. Given our starting positions, it would have required some unusual circumstances – rain, a safety car – but the race was pretty linear and while both drivers did their best, we leave Spain with nothing to show for our efforts.
“Looking at the positives, we did a lot of tests across both cars to acquire as much data as possible. Now, our whole group faces a stern test to try and make some progress in the very few days available until we are back on track at the Red Bull Ring. It’s a very long season, so there are bound to be some tough weekends. We just have to put this one behind us, we must not get downhearted but instead, look ahead and focus on fighting back immediately in a few days’ time in Austria.”
Daniel Ricciardo #3
Race – Pos. 15th
“It’s obviously disappointing finishing in P15, but I’m happy with my race and how we managed it as a team with the two stops. I think yesterday I just missed a touch in qualifying, but honestly, today I feel like I maximised it with a good race. We managed the tyres and pushed when we needed to, so unfortunately, I think we just didn’t have more to show this weekend. There’s certainly lots to learn from weekends like this. We take a few little positives and a few more things to work on because we seem to be missing something with the new package. It’s a quick turnaround, so we’ll work on it tonight, trying to understand more in preparation for Austria next week.”
Yuki Tsunoda #22
Race – Pos. 19th
“It was a tough race, in which I struggled. The handling of the car was definitely not easy, and I did not feel as comfortable as I normally do. Something wasn’t quite right, and we’ll analyse everything that happened to understand what did not work well and come back stronger in Austria.”
Yuki said he was unhappy with the car balance, so I’m guessing that hurt his ability to manage the tires, thus the stints were shorter.Wouter wrote: ↑24 Jun 2024, 20:06Who is VCARB's strategist??
This makes no sense! Very short on the soft > short on the yellow > very, very short on the hard > long on the red!
Maybe someone can explain this to me? Only Perez and Yuki did a three stopper.
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