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French car manufacturer Renault has confirmed its return as a constructor in Formula One, buying the current Enstone-based Lotus F1 Team. The new follows the company's earlier published intention to take over the Lotus F1 team.
According to TJ13 awhile back, the team still has the option to run a Merc engine. Not sure how that would affect Manor, but I think Manor & Merc are counting on Lotus/Renault to not use the option.NL_Fer wrote:So, what if Ghosn bails out, after seeing zero progress from the engine introduced in Brasil. What engine will they run in 2016, the Merc already went to Manor.
bdeitemeyer wrote:According to TJ13 awhile back, the team still has the option to run a Merc engine. Not sure how that would affect Manor, but I think Manor & Merc are counting on Lotus/Renault to not use the option.NL_Fer wrote:So, what if Ghosn bails out, after seeing zero progress from the engine introduced in Brasil. What engine will they run in 2016, the Merc already went to Manor.
Is there a possibility that Renault could enter as Alpine? or Infinity?However, Abiteboul suggested that there could be some interesting branding associated with the makeover of his outfit.
“We know what we want,” said Abiteboul. “We have a strategy in terms of naming, and we know why we would be entering F1 and to promote which brand."
“Renault is a halo brand but there are other brands associated to that. But I will not say anything in relation to that because that will be part of the announcement.
But don't the rules say you can only homologate one engine design per company. I'm not sure they could claim Nissan was a distinct, separate company to make that work.basti313 wrote:Yes, Nissan is the rumor that is reported at the moment.
But I do not think, that there would be any sort of competitiveness with the Renault engine. The chassis is nowhere, no money and no progress. If they go for Nissan, I would not be surprised f they come up with a brand new Nissan engine, which is so different, that they could not build it by using tokens for the Renault. This would fit the non-development through the season by Renault.
ScottB wrote:But don't the rules say you can only homologate one engine design per company. I'm not sure they could claim Nissan was a distinct, separate company to make that work.basti313 wrote:Yes, Nissan is the rumor that is reported at the moment.
But I do not think, that there would be any sort of competitiveness with the Renault engine. The chassis is nowhere, no money and no progress. If they go for Nissan, I would not be surprised f they come up with a brand new Nissan engine, which is so different, that they could not build it by using tokens for the Renault. This would fit the non-development through the season by Renault.
I would think they are likely to do something similar to last time, leave the name alone for a year or two till they build the team up, then change. You could make a case for any of Renault, Alpine, Nissan or Infiniti as lead brand. Team name Alpine and Renault badged engines might make sense, if you go with Nissan or Infiniti, it wouldn't be as easy to tack Renault on the end...
Hard to say if the rules cover this...I think it is a philosophical question if Nissan is a new manufacturer or not and in the end they can always say..."take Nissan as a new manufacturer or do it without us". This will end up with Nissan taken as a new manufacturer.ScottB wrote:But don't the rules say you can only homologate one engine design per company. I'm not sure they could claim Nissan was a distinct, separate company to make that work.basti313 wrote:Yes, Nissan is the rumor that is reported at the moment.
But I do not think, that there would be any sort of competitiveness with the Renault engine. The chassis is nowhere, no money and no progress. If they go for Nissan, I would not be surprised f they come up with a brand new Nissan engine, which is so different, that they could not build it by using tokens for the Renault. This would fit the non-development through the season by Renault.
I would think they are likely to do something similar to last time, leave the name alone for a year or two till they build the team up, then change. You could make a case for any of Renault, Alpine, Nissan or Infiniti as lead brand. Team name Alpine and Renault badged engines might make sense, if you go with Nissan or Infiniti, it wouldn't be as easy to tack Renault on the end...
A new Alpine roadcar is coming next year. Originally it was a joint venture with Caterham, who would have launched their own car on the same platform, but the deal collapsed.basti313 wrote:Hard to say if the rules cover this...I think it is a philosophical question if Nissan is a new manufacturer or not and in the end they can always say..."take Nissan as a new manufacturer or do it without us". This will end up with Nissan taken as a new manufacturer.ScottB wrote:But don't the rules say you can only homologate one engine design per company. I'm not sure they could claim Nissan was a distinct, separate company to make that work.basti313 wrote:Yes, Nissan is the rumor that is reported at the moment.
But I do not think, that there would be any sort of competitiveness with the Renault engine. The chassis is nowhere, no money and no progress. If they go for Nissan, I would not be surprised f they come up with a brand new Nissan engine, which is so different, that they could not build it by using tokens for the Renault. This would fit the non-development through the season by Renault.
I would think they are likely to do something similar to last time, leave the name alone for a year or two till they build the team up, then change. You could make a case for any of Renault, Alpine, Nissan or Infiniti as lead brand. Team name Alpine and Renault badged engines might make sense, if you go with Nissan or Infiniti, it wouldn't be as easy to tack Renault on the end...
Why do you think they will use Alpine? They are not building Alpine road cars.
