Red Bull RB17

Breaking news, useful data or technical highlights or vehicles that are not meant to race. You can post commercial vehicle news or developments here.
Please post topics on racing variants in "other racing categories".
Hoffman900
Hoffman900
238
Joined: 13 Oct 2019, 03:02

Re: Red Bull RB17

Post

Moctecus wrote:
16 Jul 2024, 11:52
Adrian Newey has confirmed that they will use pneumatic valve springs:
We started out with the twin-turbo V8 twin because we needed around 1000 horsepower from the combustion engine, and the only way to get that with our target engine weight [of 150kg] was with a turbo. Then we started working with our own powertrain division to look at how we can get the power out of a normally aspirated engine? The answer was rpm, but how do we achieve a high rpm? That meant going to pneumatic valves instead of valve springs. We’re continuing to do durability work to get a normally aspirated V10 that weighs 150kg, revs to 15,000rpm and has 1000hp.

[source]

By the way, the Mercedes-AMG One has pneumatic valve springs too and that's a road car. Compared to F1, they have added a pneumatic pump.
The problem is keeping the seals lubricated and “wet” while the car sits.

Sure you can do it if it’s exclusively in the care of Mercedes or RedBull (Cosworth), where they’re going to tear into before you schedule it to run, but the issue is 20-30 years from now when you can’t find those bespoke seals anymore, the manufacturers aren’t interested in supporting these, and they sit a lot between runnings. This is why people are converting engines like the Cosworth EC and ED engines to coil springs.

As pointed out, you can’t even turn these engines over until you know all the valves are retracted, and require PITA leak tests constantly.

That said, most of these aren’t even going to run but a few times, so it it’ll be fine.

Fluido
Fluido
1
Joined: 25 Mar 2022, 17:17

Re: Red Bull RB17

Post

Any dimensions of car?
How tunnel reduce so much pressure if it is so high from ground, you can sleep under car?

Fluido
Fluido
1
Joined: 25 Mar 2022, 17:17

Re: Red Bull RB17

Post

chrisc90 wrote:
12 Jul 2024, 18:09
Factually incorrect. It has a very very similar size and footprint to an Aston Martin DBX. So a wheelbase of at least 5m is about 1.5m out.


DBX has a 3060mm wheelbase and a Length of 5039mm and a Width of 1998 mm.

A bit of careful listening to the video at 12mins 30seconds will clear your inaccuracies up
Why they made in bigger version for presentation?

User avatar
Holm86
261
Joined: 10 Feb 2010, 03:37
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark

Re: Red Bull RB17

Post


User avatar
Holm86
261
Joined: 10 Feb 2010, 03:37
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark

Re: Red Bull RB17

Post

The design has changed quite a lot since the first concept model, but now it looks like an actual car, still has a lot of resemblance to the Valkyrie

Image
Image
Image
Image
ImageImage
Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
Image

User avatar
AR3-GP
537
Joined: 06 Jul 2021, 01:22

Re: Red Bull RB17

Post

Holm86 wrote:
03 Jan 2026, 04:05
The design has changed quite a lot since the first concept model, but now it looks like an actual car, still has a lot of resemblance to the Valkyrie
The similarity is like comparing two F1 cars from 2025.
Beware of T-Rex

User avatar
organic
1141
Joined: 08 Jan 2022, 02:24
Location: Cambridge, UK

Re: Red Bull RB17

Post

It's a bit embarrassing it has turned into a Valkyrie v2

Espresso
Espresso
7
Joined: 13 Dec 2017, 15:03

Re: Red Bull RB17

Post

Image

Image

Image

Image

Source:

vorticism
vorticism
437
Joined: 01 Mar 2022, 20:20
Location: YooEssay

Re: Red Bull RB17

Post

If it ain't broke... Although it looks quite a bit moved on from the Valkyrie. The rear suspension is exposed, on Valkyrie it was not. Snorkel louvers (bet you've never said that before), either linked to chimneys or they bleed overflow, in which case: clever. For the side radiators it looks like: louvers and three cannon exits (hmm, where have I seen that before...). Rear brake duct inlet integrated into the flying buttress. Seven-element rear aero stack. Bargeboards connected to the FW. Shrouded brake discs. Overall, alien, UFO-like. Looks good in silver.

They want people to use it in ACO Hypercars potentially, so the approach makes sense. It has to stick with some conventions. Regardless, nothing in that series has this much aero sophistication.

What will Newey cook up with Aston Martin, though? Beside AMR cars. Further iterations of the extant Valkyrie LMH. New hypercars. New track specific cars.
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

NoDivergence
NoDivergence
52
Joined: 02 Feb 2011, 01:52

Re: Red Bull RB17

Post

I don't know how they expect it to corner at 5G. It's downforce to weight doesn't seem like it's good enough