[MVRC] Mantium Virtual Racecar Challenge 2025 (Grand Prix Cars)

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yinlad
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Re: [MVRC] Mantium Virtual Racecar Challenge 2025 (Grand Prix Cars)

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k.ko100v wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 09:40
After the first few runs there are two questions from my side:

1. Is there a way to lower the car to the ground?
The gap between the wheels and the reference plane is still present, which most likely has a significant impact on the results. I am currently using the R06 CAD parts set published by Andre at the beginning of the month.

2. Regarding cooling performance:
Since the wheels are off the ground, I focused on cooling. Initially, I obtained very poor results (0.7 m³/s for a single radiator). Even after significantly increasing the radiator size along with both the inlets and outlets, the improvement in airflow was minimal (0.7 → 0.9 m³/s).
Here is a visualization of the generated cooling stream:
https://imgur.com/pyK6ctv.jpg IN
https://imgur.com/73kkgTr.jpg OUT
Compared to older images I have seen, the airflow appears to have much higher density. The radiator has also been refined using MeshLab:
https://imgur.com/1c6S015.jpg

Do you think my setup might be incorrect, or is this behavior expected in this version of MFlow?

Thank you in advanced.

Regards,
Krasen
To answer 1. There should be new mandatory parts coming soon that addresses the wheels off the ground problem.

To answer 2. Welcome to mantium, where half the battle is cooling 🤣 I've held the view for a couple of years that the radiators themselves aren't porous enough, but I've come to accept that it's just part of the challenge. It will really depend on the bodywork behind the radiator and towards any cooling outlets, but I would say you have about expected results
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CAEdevice
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Re: [MVRC] Mantium Virtual Racecar Challenge 2025 (Grand Prix Cars)

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k.ko100v wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 09:40
After the first few runs there are two questions from my side:

1. Is there a way to lower the car to the ground?
The gap between the wheels and the reference plane is still present, which most likely has a significant impact on the results. I am currently using the R06 CAD parts set published by Andre at the beginning of the month.

2. Regarding cooling performance:
Since the wheels are off the ground, I focused on cooling. Initially, I obtained very poor results (0.7 m³/s for a single radiator). Even after significantly increasing the radiator size along with both the inlets and outlets, the improvement in airflow was minimal (0.7 → 0.9 m³/s).
Here is a visualization of the generated cooling stream:
https://imgur.com/pyK6ctv.jpg IN
https://imgur.com/73kkgTr.jpg OUT
Compared to older images I have seen, the airflow appears to have much higher density. The radiator has also been refined using MeshLab:
https://imgur.com/1c6S015.jpg

Do you think my setup might be incorrect, or is this behavior expected in this version of MFlow?

Thank you in advanced.

Regards,
Krasen
The wheels position will be fixed in the next (today?) release. You can approximate the correct position by lowering the wheels and hubs (25mm) provided with R06.

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CAEdevice wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 10:43
k.ko100v wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 09:40
After the first few runs there are two questions from my side:

1. Is there a way to lower the car to the ground?
The gap between the wheels and the reference plane is still present, which most likely has a significant impact on the results. I am currently using the R06 CAD parts set published by Andre at the beginning of the month.

2. Regarding cooling performance:
Since the wheels are off the ground, I focused on cooling. Initially, I obtained very poor results (0.7 m³/s for a single radiator). Even after significantly increasing the radiator size along with both the inlets and outlets, the improvement in airflow was minimal (0.7 → 0.9 m³/s).
Here is a visualization of the generated cooling stream:
https://imgur.com/pyK6ctv.jpg IN
https://imgur.com/73kkgTr.jpg OUT
Compared to older images I have seen, the airflow appears to have much higher density. The radiator has also been refined using MeshLab:
https://imgur.com/1c6S015.jpg

Do you think my setup might be incorrect, or is this behavior expected in this version of MFlow?

Thank you in advanced.

Regards,
Krasen
The wheels position will be fixed in the next (today?) release. You can approximate the correct position by lowering the wheels and hubs (25mm) provided with R06.
Thank you for the feedback guys.

I am not sure how to lower the parts, but for now I have plenty of work, improving the cooling.

Which parts needs to be located in the "high res" folder?

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yinlad
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k.ko100v wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 12:06
CAEdevice wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 10:43
k.ko100v wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 09:40
After the first few runs there are two questions from my side:

1. Is there a way to lower the car to the ground?
The gap between the wheels and the reference plane is still present, which most likely has a significant impact on the results. I am currently using the R06 CAD parts set published by Andre at the beginning of the month.

2. Regarding cooling performance:
Since the wheels are off the ground, I focused on cooling. Initially, I obtained very poor results (0.7 m³/s for a single radiator). Even after significantly increasing the radiator size along with both the inlets and outlets, the improvement in airflow was minimal (0.7 → 0.9 m³/s).
Here is a visualization of the generated cooling stream:
https://imgur.com/pyK6ctv.jpg IN
https://imgur.com/73kkgTr.jpg OUT
Compared to older images I have seen, the airflow appears to have much higher density. The radiator has also been refined using MeshLab:
https://imgur.com/1c6S015.jpg

Do you think my setup might be incorrect, or is this behavior expected in this version of MFlow?

Thank you in advanced.

Regards,
Krasen
The wheels position will be fixed in the next (today?) release. You can approximate the correct position by lowering the wheels and hubs (25mm) provided with R06.
Thank you for the feedback guys.

I am not sure how to lower the parts, but for now I have plenty of work, improving the cooling.

Which parts needs to be located in the "high res" folder?
https://mantiumchallenge.com/mvrc-rules-2025/ should tell you all you need to know wrt parts in folders
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k.ko100v wrote:
20 Mar 2025, 09:40
Even after significantly increasing the radiator size along with both the inlets and outlets, the improvement in airflow was minimal (0.7 → 0.9 m³/s).
Remember the target is 1.15m3/s per side, so you're getting there :) In my experience the actual geometry of the duct is very important, potentially more so than the size of the hx or the openings. Look at the velocity slices and try to eliminate any separation. It also looks like your inlet has very little room to turn the flow into the radiator, your flow is coming in almost perpendicular to the hx face and then having to turn 90 degrees in a very small distance.
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I have managed to upload a new version of MFlow.
The main update is the switch to use OF 2412 and OFv12. I am not 100% sure which one to use for the MVRC season but I think it should be v12 as it pretty much meshes just like 2412 and is available in the new blueCFD, which is good for our Windows users.
Windows is also the reason it is not completely done. I can currently not really test this one Windows. So this part is for now on you guys.
Also, when using OFv12, I can still not generate the streamlines. I have an idea though...
Then there are some updates regarding the new rules which have now been implemented into MFlow.
Yesterday, I have also uploaded the newest CAD parts. They are mainly modified with regard to the wheel position. Please take note that new parts will contain a new version number.

I am pretty short on time. Maybe I can get to some of the questions during the weekend. But I can say you get good cooling performance with good duct work. The flow looses a lot of energy / pressure in the radiator. The duct has to prepare the flow to the new pressure level and then after the radiator it will have to get prepared to the outside world again.

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Getting this error:

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https://i.imgur.com/W2S9pq7.jpeg

I tried to change the local_OF_vers to 12 on default settings but that gave me an error that tells me "OF Case has not been built yet". Also im getting dimensional error on creating the case.
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CAEdevice
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Where do I have to put the MAND_HUBs? Maybe together with the wheels.

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The Rusted One
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Any idea why this would be happening? (I am still using last years Mflow)
This only happened after I lowered the ride height to 20mm. All the stl files are the same as the sim without lowering ride height.
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The Rusted One wrote:
24 Mar 2025, 08:50
Any idea why this would be happening?
You have a hole in the mesh. Either figure out where the bad geometry is (small gaps, acute angles etc) or try increasing the stl resolution on that part.
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spacehead3 wrote:
24 Mar 2025, 12:00
The Rusted One wrote:
24 Mar 2025, 08:50
Any idea why this would be happening?
You have a hole in the mesh. Either figure out where the bad geometry is (small gaps, acute angles etc) or try increasing the stl resolution on that part.
I’m experiencing similar issues with some of my runs. However, in my case, none of the "U" planes or .vtk files are generated. I suspect this is due to a geometry issue.

Could someone from the "SolidWorks" guild recommend the proper settings for saving .stl files?

These are my export settings for .stl in SolidWorks 2022:
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From my perspective, this is one of the biggest challenges. For example, when I make changes in more than two different areas and the run has bad geometry, I end up losing multiple runs just to identify the problematic part, which is quite frustrating.

Regards,
Krasen

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yinlad
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k.ko100v wrote:
25 Mar 2025, 09:20
spacehead3 wrote:
24 Mar 2025, 12:00
The Rusted One wrote:
24 Mar 2025, 08:50
Any idea why this would be happening?
You have a hole in the mesh. Either figure out where the bad geometry is (small gaps, acute angles etc) or try increasing the stl resolution on that part.
I’m experiencing similar issues with some of my runs. However, in my case, none of the "U" planes or .vtk files are generated. I suspect this is due to a geometry issue.

Could someone from the "SolidWorks" guild recommend the proper settings for saving .stl files?

These are my export settings for .stl in SolidWorks 2022:
https://imgur.com/uxmWcbZ.jpg

From my perspective, this is one of the biggest challenges. For example, when I make changes in more than two different areas and the run has bad geometry, I end up losing multiple runs just to identify the problematic part, which is quite frustrating.

Regards,
Krasen
I can't speak on Solidworks, but if you want to check any STL before running, you can use FreeCad to check if it's a solid or not. I.e. if it has holes.

In FreeCad this is done by using the mesh workbench and analyse -> check if mesh is solid (paraphrasing as I'm not able to check immediately)
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k.ko100v wrote:
25 Mar 2025, 09:20
From my perspective, this is one of the biggest challenges.
STL settings can help, but remember that ultimately this is usually a geometry issue. Meaning that you likely have a zero thickness geometry:
https://help.solidworks.com/2018/englis ... nifold.htm

Make sure that all of your parts overlap into each other, rather than sharing a face boundary. Follow the 10mm thickness guidelines in the rules. Add a filet / radius to any very acute angles. etc...
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New wing, old car

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Will be interesting to see if others choose high noses or low noses
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