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astracrazy
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what would be the reason Ferrari just using the F60 rear and front wings for the launch?

Not finished? or just they believe they have found a special design and want to hold there cards close to there chest?

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Astro1 wrote:Or we can forget what I said and go along with the German media who having never seen the car on track are saying that it lacks aero efficiency :shock: :shock: :shock:

http://ferrarif1forum.com/2010/01/13/ge ... fficiency/
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astracrazy wrote:what would be the reason Ferrari just using the F60 rear and front wings for the launch?

Not finished? or just they believe they have found a special design and want to hold there cards close to there chest?
Using non-final aero bit at initial presentation is common practice, for both of the reasons you stated.
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timbo wrote:Ferrari did devoted quite a bit of their Friday time to the development work for 2010.
Pretty weak really when all their rivals have race-proven design concepts that they're taking into 2010. Something must have gone really wrong last year with their 2009 car not to have evolved it because I can't think they would have done what they did unless absolutely necessary.

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Astro1 wrote:Or we can forget what I said and go along with the German media who having never seen the car on track are saying that it lacks aero efficiency :shock: :shock: :shock:
Well, the wait will be over in a few weeks and we'll get a decent impression at their first test. These rumours are just that......rumours. But, we had similar rumblings last year surrounding Brawn (positive ones) and we had negative rumblings around McLaren which were confirmed when they bolted a 2008 rear wing on in a straight line test to work out what was going on. They recovered well from that though to be fair. Both of those mutterings proved to be true and it's going to be hard for Ferrari to cover up if they are indeed planning a B spec of their car already, as that article states.

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I'm wondering a bit why they would want to follow the 2009 RB DDD Design. AFAIR it was pretty crippled due to design constraints like the low rear and the pullrod-suspension. I think RB will show us a pretty different DDD for 2010.

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I respect Antonini, if the translation is what he is actually reporting, then there’s reason to be worried.

Most journalists are citing the RB5 as the car to be copied, but in effect it will be the “V” nose that is copied, not the sidepods nor the DDD. This is simply the media not understanding the technicalities. The “V” nose is a another step in reducing the cars cross section between the front wheels, at the same time conveniently packaging the wishbones with unequal lengths. The RB5s sidepods, gearcase and rear crash structure all blocked flow over and under the diffuser. Given free reign these would have been changed in 2009.

Its more likely teams will copy the Brawn style DDD, that was already being copied in 2009 as well as its sidepods and front wing endplates.

I am hearing a lot about extreme diffusers potentially those with two upper decks (effectively triple diffusers) these are more than the split upper decks we saw last year, but each of the channels will be fed by a different slot under the floor.

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guys does any of you think that Ferrari need a big change in their design personalities ??

I personally believe Ferrari should get rid of aldo costa and search for someone like newey.

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sunny1304 wrote:I personally believe Ferrari should get rid of aldo costa and search for someone like newey.
Oh? Why? Is this just based on conjecture or are you familiar with the Ferrari design system?
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i am saying this because f2005 was credited to costa which was a failure for ferrari..also considering f60's performance.

i might be wrong...its only a personal opinion.

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scarbs wrote:I respect Antonini, if the translation is what he is actually reporting, then there’s reason to be worried.

Most journalists are citing the RB5 as the car to be copied, but in effect it will be the “V” nose that is copied, not the sidepods nor the DDD. This is simply the media not understanding the technicalities. The “V” nose is a another step in reducing the cars cross section between the front wheels, at the same time conveniently packaging the wishbones with unequal lengths. The RB5s sidepods, gearcase and rear crash structure all blocked flow over and under the diffuser. Given free reign these would have been changed in 2009.

Its more likely teams will copy the Brawn style DDD, that was already being copied in 2009 as well as its sidepods and front wing endplates.

I am hearing a lot about extreme diffusers potentially those with two upper decks (effectively triple diffusers) these are more than the split upper decks we saw last year, but each of the channels will be fed by a different slot under the floor.
Any ideas if any of the other teams will copy RBR's pull rod rear suspension? Or will they themselves be dropping it to maximise the DDD's? I thought it was quite clear that after everbody fitted the DDD's last year that the RB5 was the dominant car, so(to me) the pull rod could not have been so detrimental to the DDD.
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segedunum wrote:Something must have gone really wrong last year with their 2009 car not to have evolved it
Felipe was hit by a spring.
Does that count as "really wrong"?

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segedunum wrote:But, we had similar rumblings last year surrounding Brawn (positive ones) and we had negative rumblings around McLaren which were confirmed when they bolted a 2008 rear wing on in a straight line test to work out what was going on...
True, but IIRC those rumours started after the car was unveiled and tested for the first time.

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ISLAMATRON wrote:FERRARI CHEATING AGAIN!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80828
How?