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SoulPancake13 wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 21:24
Rikrikrik wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 21:11
OK, we have a lot of problems, and Honda still nothing push their engine like the others, BUT, mean all the problems, Honda is the only engine still not stopped any moment during the tests, every other engine, Mercedes, Ford, Audi and Ferrari already stopped in the track. I think the engine could be GREAT, but they need sinergy between all parts.
Ferrari only stopped on track because they ran out of fuel (on purpose). And it is pretty clear the engine is seldom pushed by the drivers right now.
Im just trying to be positive, but, Honda doesnt look so terrible, the potencial is there, but, need to be unlocked, i think.

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Encouraged by the increase of pace in one lap, but that's the only thing. Tons of reliability issues and the longest stim was was 7 laps. They need to 15+ laps with the same compound and start building race pace. If not I'm worried that we will relive a Mclaren 2023 with 9 stops in Australia.

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jacme22 wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 22:30
Encouraged by the increase of pace in one lap, but that's the only thing. Tons of reliability issues and the longest stim was was 7 laps. They need to 15+ laps with the same compound and start building race pace. If not I'm worried that we will relive a Mclaren 2023 with 9 stops in Australia.
The problem was Alonso and Stroll were going all out on the one lap pace, and the driveability was awful. I do not think any of the Mercedes teams and Ferrari were pushing that much.

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I doubt they were doing qualy sims when Stroll's fastest speed trap speed was 302kph and Alonso had 313. And Stroll was still 0.5s quicker. I think they are experimenting and testing still. When they start doing 330+ we will see what happens.

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TyreSlip wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 22:35
jacme22 wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 22:30
Encouraged by the increase of pace in one lap, but that's the only thing. Tons of reliability issues and the longest stim was was 7 laps. They need to 15+ laps with the same compound and start building race pace. If not I'm worried that we will relive a Mclaren 2023 with 9 stops in Australia.
The problem was Alonso and Stroll were going all out on the one lap pace, and the driveability was awful. I do not think any of the Mercedes teams and Ferrari were pushing that much.
We know from Briatore that Alpine hasn't even recieved the latest update to push the engine to higher limits. He implied Mercedes already has that but even then, not sure if they will push it before testing is over to not create more drama about the compression ratio.

What you say is what worries me. I'm not sure what is their testing plan, but it looks to me they are not very confident on getting significant data from their long runs if they are 3-4 seconds off pace. Maybe is not even good enough to know if they are correlating with what the wind tunnel tells them.

So my guess is they are trying to "break" things by pushing the car to its limits making use of all the tyres they have left from the first week. And maybe when they reach what they believe is a good time lap and reliability improves, start working on longer stims. But we are...what? 3.5 days away from the real thing?

Maybe the glory laps (if we can call them that) also helps them to distance themselves from Cadillac as well. Can't imagine sponsors will be too happy if that happens.

... Who could imagine I would be talking about Cadillac when comparing it to the Aston... Poor Fernando.
FNTC wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 22:46
I doubt they were doing qualy sims when Stroll's fastest speed trap speed was 302kph and Alonso had 313. And Stroll was still 0.5s quicker. I think they are experimenting and testing still. When they start doing 330+ we will see what happens.
I don't think they are doing anything more than what the cars allows them at the moment. If you can only keep the car on the track for so long for realiability issues, going for the fastest lap you can maybe it's the most efficient way to test the car and improve it.

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Rumors also said that Aston haven't even tried yet Boost and Overtake modes

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Andi76 wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 20:45
Leon Kennedy wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 18:14
Recap of the day: problems with Alonso in the morning, no one knows why, they tested the high temperatures with less cooling (as declared) through a camera. In the afternoon, Stroll's car stalled, probably due to a hydraulic leak, but it's not clear what. The times were better than in previous tests, but still far from others.
P.s Stroll withdrew from the final 20 minutes of the session, for an unknown reason, perhaps out of frustration.

My opinion: The car has a lot of potential, just look at the front and rear wing mechanisms that no other car on the grid has, even the opening stability is remarkable. We don't know how the engine performs since it's always been underpowered and we're also completely unsure about the gearbox. Let's hope so.

The only thing is that they haven't tested race pace, qualifying, or setup yet, we're really behind on the program. And there are only two days left, then free practice in Melbourne.
Sorry, but based on the front and rear wing mechanisms, I don't necessarily see great potential... if you look at the data and compare it to other cars, which is the only thing you can do besides pure lap times to evaluate a car, it becomes obvious that there are massive problems. Don't get me wrong—maybe you're right, even if I don't believe it, but predicting a lot of potential for a car that is currently almost three seconds slower and can barely put together laps due to front and rear wing mechanisms is anything but well-founded. For one thing, there have been many cars in F1 history with "great" innovations that looked great but were ultimately just slow. At the moment, and given the car's well-known fundamental problems (because, sorry, a bad gearbox alone is a fundamental problem), it's more likely that we have a car with undoubtedly interesting solutions and concepts that unfortunately don't really work at the moment. Whether there is potential behind it, whether it's a complete failure, or somewhere in between, remains to be seen. The fact is, however, that there is a lot of work to be done in some areas. Because where other cars can easily run for thousands of miles and their technology works without any problems, Aston Martin unfortunately has the exact opposite. And for a car that is slow, unreliable, and problematic in testing to suddenly become the top car—that would be a first, as far as my memory serves me. It is much more likely that this is a bold car, but one that will ultimately serve as a learning and development platform to catch up in many areas where AM currently lags behind.
As far as I'm concerned, these arguments they're not that important yet. I mentioned the front and rear wings, because I'm only talking about the mechanism and how it works. I look at the delay other teams have in closing their wings; Aston's is clearly more calibrated. That is, if we want to talk about what's missing in terms of performance, we'll do it after qualifying in Melbourne, or at least on Friday night. They're a bit like Stroll's statements that were missing 4 Seconds and in the end it's 2.5 today. Then maybe tomorrow it'll be 5, don't get me wrong, but we can't base it on anything yet. The engine is underpowered and the car has no configuration in terms of setups.

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Alonso Fan wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 18:07
mzso wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 17:48
Ah, the actual text Croft read. How does the vote needs to turn out? Also, don't the teams and FOM need to vote?
All engine manufacturers have 1 vote + FIA + FOM.
The change can be made as planned if Honda, RB Ford, Ferrari, Audi and FIA and FOM vote in favour

The only question remaining is: who will FOM side with?
All engine manufacturers views are clear. FIA's view is expected to agree with everyone opposing Mercedes since they're the one suggesting the new hot testing procedure and rule change for August.
Just one vote for FIA and FOM? Doesn't sound right.

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Andi76 wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 20:13
Leon Kennedy wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 15:12
Andi76 wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 14:21


Let's be honest—people who expected something different don't really understand how F1 actually works. An engineer can be as good as he wants, but whether it's Ross Brawn, Adrian Newey, Rory Byrne, Marshall, or James Allison—everyone depends on the organization and on a team, the methodologies, technology, etc. that are available, and how good they are and how well they work. Anyone who thinks you can just put Adrian Newey at Aston Martin and suddenly they'll be beating the whole of F1 doesn't understand what it's all about and how F1 works. It took Newey over three years to get Red Bull up to speed; until then, his cars were lagging behind. Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne also needed several years at Ferrari, even though they were already competing for titles in their second year. Some people may still think of Newey at McLaren, who competed for the title and won in 1998, his first year with the team. But they forget that McLaren was already on the rise before Newey arrived and many of the concepts for the 1998 car were already well developed when he joined. (McLaren had already tested cars with a longer wheelbase of over 3000 cm in 1995, 1996 and 1997, so I honestly think it's a myth that Newey was really responsible for the long wheelbase on the MP4-13; at the very least, it would be a strange coincidence...). They were already at the top level, and Newey's input was an added bonus. Aston Martin is far from the top level, even if it has the most modern infrastructure. You also have to be able to use it efficiently and have the right organization, technical level, and know-how. AM is a long way from that, and even Adrian Newey will need time here, even if the circumstances and the latest technology will speed things up, as will other top engineers such as Cardille and Fainello. But even Brawn, Byrne, Newey, Marshall, Allison, and Costa can't just snap their fingers and suddenly be number one. And I personally think it's positive that the new generation of F1 fans are also being shown that F1 doesn't work like that and that the media-created legend of the godlike engineer who comes along and, no matter where he is, conjures up the most ingenious and fastest cars out of thin air, and where every invention comes from their ingenious pen, is once again being demonstrated for what it is – namely false. Because as important as people like Newey are, because they understand the car as a whole and how everything has to work together (while younger engineers are more specialized and lack that level of knowledge) they are not magicians who build and design every screw, every aerodynamic surface, and every wishbone themselves. It is a team of thousands of people who do this. Engineers like Newey use their knowledge to ensure that everything runs in the right direction and everything harmonizes. And ultimately, that is the skill of these people, not the design and construction of individual parts. Rather, it is providing the technology, infrastructure, methodologies and organization that makes it possible to build and develop an F1 car better (which includes the "harmony" of the car working as a "whole") and faster than the competition.
Everyone has their own opinion, but in 2023, Aston Martin was fighting for podiums right from the first races, so it was already a team ready to compete. The talent was there even before Newey arrived.They probably have the best wind tunnel and simulator in all of F1. Now they're also engine specialists and can integrate the engine with the suspension and chassis. They've taken on several other engineers, in addition to Newey. like Cardile who had already made a great chassis at Ferrari, Bob Bell and Cowell who was the guru of Mercedes engines. If your theory were true then McLaren's 2023 performance wasn't just meant to be. And in 2024 Marshall completely overhauled the team. Williams hasn't even won a single world championship since Newey, going from a resounding winner to a mediocre one in 1998. And there's more data that points to the Newey effect: all of Newey's cars (except those that haven't raced) have achieved at least one podium finish so far, and 80% have won a race so far. You'll see who have right
Sorry, but that's not a theory. It's a fact. History proves it, and every F1 engineer has explained it a thousand times. Even Newey himself... I don't want to be condescending, but how old are you? How long have you been involved with F1? Sorry to say this, but it can't be long, otherwise you would know that Newey's career itself contains the evidence, as do those of many other star F1 designers, all of whom have explained these things themselves. It's not for nothing that people always talk about three-year plans. And it's only logical when you think about it.

Unfortunately, you're falling victim to the "Newey effect," which all too often confuses correlation with causation and underestimates the immense technological complexity of modern Formula 1. Today's F1 cars consist of around 14,500 individual parts – no one in the world, not even Adrian Newey, can keep track of them all in their head, let alone design them single-handedly. Anyone who believes that the mere presence of a genius would turn an organization of over a thousand employees into a serial winner at the snap of a finger is not only misjudging the hard facts of F1 history and the mechanisms within an F1 team, but also mathematics.

First, let's take a look at the statistics: The claim that 80% of his cars won is correct, yes, when viewed simply and glossed over. There were models such as the MP4/18, which did not compete in a single race, or the MP4/19, which first required a massively modified B version, or the 2006 McLaren or the 1998 Williams, in the design of both of which he was involved as chief engineer, and which must be taken into account if one does not want to gloss over the figures. That lowers Newey's rate to around 70% (a rate that people like Rory Byrne and Aldo Costa also have, both of whom, incidentally, mostly beat Newey as chief designers in the early 2000s and 2010s – yet Costa's cars at Dallara are not winning at Le Mans now, nor did Byrne's Ferraris win immediately in the 1990s... . for the reasons mentioned...). But be that as it may, even 70% is undoubtedly impressive, but it also shows that almost every third year/car did not win – mostly because the organizational basis in the team was not right. Just read Newey's book... He'll explain to you himself why the 2003 McLaren didn't win and why it was due to organizational issues within the team...

And let's look at the reality at Red Bull: Newey joined the team in 2006. Nevertheless, Red Bull languished in midfield in 2006, 2007, and 2008, finishing 7th, 5th, and 7th again in the constructors' championship. Why didn't he snap his fingers, which you believe he is capable of doing? Or did he suddenly have a stroke and need to recover? It wasn't until 2009 – in his fourth year and aided by a massive rule change – that the breakthrough came. As I said, Newey's own history alone refutes you and proves the opposite, because those three years of preparation were necessary to fundamentally restructure the entire internal organization, the correlation between the wind tunnel and the track, and the work processes. A genius without a perfectly functioning tool in the form of a well-coordinated team is simply powerless.
History is full of examples that prove this. John Barnard, the technological pioneer of the 1980s, failed several times at Ferrari to "remote control" the team. He had the most brilliant ideas, but the organization in Maranello was unable to implement them flawlessly from a technical standpoint. Even the legendary duo of Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne needed several years to get started at Ferrari. They joined a team in 1996/97 that already had enormous resources at its disposal, and yet it took until 1999 and 2000, respectively, for the era of dominance to begin. The reason was not a lack of talent, but the necessary introduction of methodological discipline and new work processes.

Technically speaking, a technical director/chief technical officer (or whatever title he has) like Newey/Brawn today is less of a draftsman and more of a "filter." He sets the philosophical direction, but if the other 999 engineers don't execute the details perfectly, the basic concept is worthless. The example of Aston Martin underscores this: Although they have state-of-the-art infrastructure, the team first has to learn how to validate the flood of data from the new wind tunnel so that it also works on the race track. The fact that Williams crashed after Newey's departure in 1998 was less due to the absence of his drawing board than to the collapse of the structures he had established and the simultaneous loss of Renault factory engines.

A Formula 1 team is a highly complex machine made up of thousands of cogs. Anyone who believes that you can throw a genius in at the top and immediately get a winning car out at the bottom, without taking into account the years of organizational fine-tuning, fails to recognize that F1 is a team sport at the molecular level. Newey will bring Aston Martin forward—but he will need time to do so, just as he needed at Red Bull.

To be honest, I don't know why I'm talking and explaining so much—it's just logical, and anyone who has ever had anything to do with F1 or even just spoken to an engineer knows that, sorry... or even just read an interview or a book or two... as I said, Newey will be successful. Just as Brawn and Byrne were successful at Ferrari, or Costa at Mercedes. But not just because they come in and snap their fingers... but because they create organizations and structures, implement methods and principles and philosophies as well as technology. But they don't just snap their fingers. If that were the case – and once again, even recent history proves you wrong – Newey would have snapped his fingers and conjured up a decent gearbox for Aston Martin... and not one that is obviously just bad... why? Because the technology for it is lacking. And Newey doesn't build gearboxes... perhaps this simple current example makes the connections clear.
Everyone has their own opinion, of course. I don't like it when you bring up age, especially since you have several solid arguments and I'd like to base my argument solely on that. A dialogue, we don't have to necessarily convince ourselves of other people's ideas. Closing this premise, regarding the team not being ready yet, I don't think so at all. It's obvious that if Newey goes to Cadillac, this won't become a world championship car, It seems to me that Briatore himself also declared that he wanted Newey, and that the latter didn't find them "attractive." This means that Aston Martin has a lot of untapped potential: just think about 2023 when they showed up with those sloping sides set a precedent for McLaren, in 2024 with floating sidepods and also in 2025 they had tiny radiators. Among other things, in 2024 the team that made the most updates overall. This team isn't like the 2007 Red Bulls, it's a team with a lot of talent that lacked leadership and now they have it (they themselves declared it a few days ago). 2007 Red Bulls didn't have the best facilities in the paddock. Planning for a win three years ahead is something for those who have excuses. In 2021, Alpine had declared that they were aiming to win in 2025, in the meantime almost the entire corporate structure has changed and look where they are. You don't know what will happen in 3 years, if the staff changes, if the engine changes, etc. You always have to focus on the current season to make Getting better and better. Even Cowell, when Newey introduced himself to the team and said they hoped to win within two years, said he did it to motivate the team to push and win right away and that it wasn't true that he wanted to wait 2 years. But that's how it's done, then it can go wrong, that's another story. But I assure you that the car they brought is not a car for those who are already thinking about a 3-year cycle and are thinking about winning the following years like Redbull 2007, it's a car that's scary to look at, it's super extreme, it's not conservative in any way, it's a car that already wants to win. As for the MP-18, it's the only car so far that Newey has really made a mistake and that hasn't even taken to the track, but in 2003 they were fighting for the world championship anyway. Then it was a different F1,Ferrari was the team that spent the most, just as in the turbo hybrid era Redbull was the third team that spent the most and among other things Newey had also lost interest in the regulations because he was building a sailing boat. Things have really changed after the Budget Cup, teams like McLaren 2023 have made a sensational comeback that has probably never happened in the entire history of F1, following the your reasoning this could never have happened, among other things a customer team. Well, Williams 98 and McLaren 2006 weren't his projects anymore, Williams 98 isn't even named after him, a bit like rb20. Regarding Newey alone, he brought several of his own solutions, such as the rb16b rear suspension and the 2009 McLaren pylons. Not saying that it is Newey's work is simply nonsense. Even the aerodynamic and non-mechanical suspensions are his work, there is a lot of his hand in this car, denying it would not be true also because in the interview he himself declares who challenged the mechanics and they accepted the challenge. They themselves declared that they waited until the end for his arrival to validate his ideas. This is not overestimating anyone, They say it themselves, Alonso himself, I mean, guys, this isn't barroom propaganda. He's the greatest engineer in history, capable of even making Leyton House win. 100% of all its teams have reached the podium so far, that's not an opinion, it's a fact. A small digression: McLaren MP18 (there were no tunnels or simulators like there are today) had broken the single lap record, It was a monster of a concept that was too far ahead of its time, but it innovated and set a precedent. I conclude by saying that it's obvious that Newey alone isn't enough, everything needs to be integrated, but in my opinion Aston Martin is a team that has finished its preparations and is ready to win.

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Otromundo wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 19:27
I think today was our first day of testing. At least it was the first one that could be considered "normal."

We're at least four days behind the teams that seem to be ahead. I hope we can get in another 200 laps and significantly reduce the gap. We're way behind in the setup, and this would be the best way to show that the base is good and that the team can gradually improve.

By the way, the thing about starting the turbo with the engine... which caught my attention last week, but I didn't understand what they were doing... at the start... with the difference in warm-up time between the front and back cars... Hmmm. It could be almost like two races happening at the same time.

This year's regulations have a lot of twists and turns. I think we'll have to watch several races to see how things work. I suppose the drivers will also help us understand it better. I'm starting to get really curious, even though I don't like the 2026 regulations...
4 test days is really 2 weeks in real time. Not likely they'll be really ready for race 1.

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mzso wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 00:36
Alonso Fan wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 18:07
mzso wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 17:48
Ah, the actual text Croft read. How does the vote needs to turn out? Also, don't the teams and FOM need to vote?
All engine manufacturers have 1 vote + FIA + FOM.
The change can be made as planned if Honda, RB Ford, Ferrari, Audi and FIA and FOM vote in favour

The only question remaining is: who will FOM side with?
All engine manufacturers views are clear. FIA's view is expected to agree with everyone opposing Mercedes since they're the one suggesting the new hot testing procedure and rule change for August.
Just one vote for FIA and FOM? Doesn't sound right.
FOM has their own vote. I just think 99% of the time FOM will vote with the FIA. If you pay someone to manage this stuff, why would you vote against them ??? Basically it's a veto in case. IMO

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diffuser wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 00:52
Otromundo wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 19:27
I think today was our first day of testing. At least it was the first one that could be considered "normal." .../... even though I don't like the 2026 regulations...
4 test days is really 2 weeks in real time. Not likely they'll be really ready for race 1.
I agree. It would be a miracle if they solved all their problems in two days. They'll arrive in Melbourne at the back of the pack. The most important thing will be to avoid any mishaps and improve the car's setup. If both cars finish the race improving on their starting positions, it will be a success.
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Watanabe has flown to Bahrain for the tests. this wasnt the plan, so hopefully they can get through some of the issues being seen. it looks like the PU just completely shut down in the middle of the straight when stroll spun. pretty weird.

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Leon Kennedy wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 00:44
Andi76 wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 20:13
Leon Kennedy wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 15:12


Everyone has their own opinion, but in 2023, Aston Martin was fighting for podiums right from the first races, so it was already a team ready to compete. The talent was there even before Newey arrived.They probably have the best wind tunnel and simulator in all of F1. Now they're also engine specialists and can integrate the engine with the suspension and chassis. They've taken on several other engineers, in addition to Newey. like Cardile who had already made a great chassis at Ferrari, Bob Bell and Cowell who was the guru of Mercedes engines. If your theory were true then McLaren's 2023 performance wasn't just meant to be. And in 2024 Marshall completely overhauled the team. Williams hasn't even won a single world championship since Newey, going from a resounding winner to a mediocre one in 1998. And there's more data that points to the Newey effect: all of Newey's cars (except those that haven't raced) have achieved at least one podium finish so far, and 80% have won a race so far. You'll see who have right
Sorry, but that's not a theory. It's a fact. History proves it, and every F1 engineer has explained it a thousand times. Even Newey himself... I don't want to be condescending, but how old are you? How long have you been involved with F1? Sorry to say this, but it can't be long, otherwise you would know that Newey's career itself contains the evidence, as do those of many other star F1 designers, all of whom have explained these things themselves. It's not for nothing that people always talk about three-year plans. And it's only logical when you think about it.

Unfortunately, you're falling victim to the "Newey effect," which all too often confuses correlation with causation and underestimates the immense technological complexity of modern Formula 1. Today's F1 cars consist of around 14,500 individual parts – no one in the world, not even Adrian Newey, can keep track of them all in their head, let alone design them single-handedly. Anyone who believes that the mere presence of a genius would turn an organization of over a thousand employees into a serial winner at the snap of a finger is not only misjudging the hard facts of F1 history and the mechanisms within an F1 team, but also mathematics.

First, let's take a look at the statistics: The claim that 80% of his cars won is correct, yes, when viewed simply and glossed over. There were models such as the MP4/18, which did not compete in a single race, or the MP4/19, which first required a massively modified B version, or the 2006 McLaren or the 1998 Williams, in the design of both of which he was involved as chief engineer, and which must be taken into account if one does not want to gloss over the figures. That lowers Newey's rate to around 70% (a rate that people like Rory Byrne and Aldo Costa also have, both of whom, incidentally, mostly beat Newey as chief designers in the early 2000s and 2010s – yet Costa's cars at Dallara are not winning at Le Mans now, nor did Byrne's Ferraris win immediately in the 1990s... . for the reasons mentioned...). But be that as it may, even 70% is undoubtedly impressive, but it also shows that almost every third year/car did not win – mostly because the organizational basis in the team was not right. Just read Newey's book... He'll explain to you himself why the 2003 McLaren didn't win and why it was due to organizational issues within the team...

And let's look at the reality at Red Bull: Newey joined the team in 2006. Nevertheless, Red Bull languished in midfield in 2006, 2007, and 2008, finishing 7th, 5th, and 7th again in the constructors' championship. Why didn't he snap his fingers, which you believe he is capable of doing? Or did he suddenly have a stroke and need to recover? It wasn't until 2009 – in his fourth year and aided by a massive rule change – that the breakthrough came. As I said, Newey's own history alone refutes you and proves the opposite, because those three years of preparation were necessary to fundamentally restructure the entire internal organization, the correlation between the wind tunnel and the track, and the work processes. A genius without a perfectly functioning tool in the form of a well-coordinated team is simply powerless.
History is full of examples that prove this. John Barnard, the technological pioneer of the 1980s, failed several times at Ferrari to "remote control" the team. He had the most brilliant ideas, but the organization in Maranello was unable to implement them flawlessly from a technical standpoint. Even the legendary duo of Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne needed several years to get started at Ferrari. They joined a team in 1996/97 that already had enormous resources at its disposal, and yet it took until 1999 and 2000, respectively, for the era of dominance to begin. The reason was not a lack of talent, but the necessary introduction of methodological discipline and new work processes.

Technically speaking, a technical director/chief technical officer (or whatever title he has) like Newey/Brawn today is less of a draftsman and more of a "filter." He sets the philosophical direction, but if the other 999 engineers don't execute the details perfectly, the basic concept is worthless. The example of Aston Martin underscores this: Although they have state-of-the-art infrastructure, the team first has to learn how to validate the flood of data from the new wind tunnel so that it also works on the race track. The fact that Williams crashed after Newey's departure in 1998 was less due to the absence of his drawing board than to the collapse of the structures he had established and the simultaneous loss of Renault factory engines.

A Formula 1 team is a highly complex machine made up of thousands of cogs. Anyone who believes that you can throw a genius in at the top and immediately get a winning car out at the bottom, without taking into account the years of organizational fine-tuning, fails to recognize that F1 is a team sport at the molecular level. Newey will bring Aston Martin forward—but he will need time to do so, just as he needed at Red Bull.

To be honest, I don't know why I'm talking and explaining so much—it's just logical, and anyone who has ever had anything to do with F1 or even just spoken to an engineer knows that, sorry... or even just read an interview or a book or two... as I said, Newey will be successful. Just as Brawn and Byrne were successful at Ferrari, or Costa at Mercedes. But not just because they come in and snap their fingers... but because they create organizations and structures, implement methods and principles and philosophies as well as technology. But they don't just snap their fingers. If that were the case – and once again, even recent history proves you wrong – Newey would have snapped his fingers and conjured up a decent gearbox for Aston Martin... and not one that is obviously just bad... why? Because the technology for it is lacking. And Newey doesn't build gearboxes... perhaps this simple current example makes the connections clear.
Everyone has their own opinion, of course. I don't like it when you bring up age, especially since you have several solid arguments and I'd like to base my argument solely on that. A dialogue, we don't have to necessarily convince ourselves of other people's ideas. Closing this premise, regarding the team not being ready yet, I don't think so at all. It's obvious that if Newey goes to Cadillac, this won't become a world championship car, It seems to me that Briatore himself also declared that he wanted Newey, and that the latter didn't find them "attractive." This means that Aston Martin has a lot of untapped potential: just think about 2023 when they showed up with those sloping sides set a precedent for McLaren, in 2024 with floating sidepods and also in 2025 they had tiny radiators. Among other things, in 2024 the team that made the most updates overall. This team isn't like the 2007 Red Bulls, it's a team with a lot of talent that lacked leadership and now they have it (they themselves declared it a few days ago). 2007 Red Bulls didn't have the best facilities in the paddock. Planning for a win three years ahead is something for those who have excuses. In 2021, Alpine had declared that they were aiming to win in 2025, in the meantime almost the entire corporate structure has changed and look where they are. You don't know what will happen in 3 years, if the staff changes, if the engine changes, etc. You always have to focus on the current season to make Getting better and better. Even Cowell, when Newey introduced himself to the team and said they hoped to win within two years, said he did it to motivate the team to push and win right away and that it wasn't true that he wanted to wait 2 years. But that's how it's done, then it can go wrong, that's another story. But I assure you that the car they brought is not a car for those who are already thinking about a 3-year cycle and are thinking about winning the following years like Redbull 2007, it's a car that's scary to look at, it's super extreme, it's not conservative in any way, it's a car that already wants to win. As for the MP-18, it's the only car so far that Newey has really made a mistake and that hasn't even taken to the track, but in 2003 they were fighting for the world championship anyway. Then it was a different F1,Ferrari was the team that spent the most, just as in the turbo hybrid era Redbull was the third team that spent the most and among other things Newey had also lost interest in the regulations because he was building a sailing boat. Things have really changed after the Budget Cup, teams like McLaren 2023 have made a sensational comeback that has probably never happened in the entire history of F1, following the your reasoning this could never have happened, among other things a customer team. Well, Williams 98 and McLaren 2006 weren't his projects anymore, Williams 98 isn't even named after him, a bit like rb20. Regarding Newey alone, he brought several of his own solutions, such as the rb16b rear suspension and the 2009 McLaren pylons. Not saying that it is Newey's work is simply nonsense. Even the aerodynamic and non-mechanical suspensions are his work, there is a lot of his hand in this car, denying it would not be true also because in the interview he himself declares who challenged the mechanics and they accepted the challenge. They themselves declared that they waited until the end for his arrival to validate his ideas. This is not overestimating anyone, They say it themselves, Alonso himself, I mean, guys, this isn't barroom propaganda. He's the greatest engineer in history, capable of even making Leyton House win. 100% of all its teams have reached the podium so far, that's not an opinion, it's a fact. A small digression: McLaren MP18 (there were no tunnels or simulators like there are today) had broken the single lap record, It was a monster of a concept that was too far ahead of its time, but it innovated and set a precedent. I conclude by saying that it's obvious that Newey alone isn't enough, everything needs to be integrated, but in my opinion Aston Martin is a team that has finished its preparations and is ready to win.
Good comments, but just for readability is it possible to put some paragraph brakes (joke!) in? It would really make the comments more friendly.

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Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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Rodak wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 03:37
Leon Kennedy wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 00:44
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18 Feb 2026, 20:13


Sorry, but that's not a theory. It's a fact. History proves it, and every F1 engineer has explained it a thousand times. Even Newey himself... I don't want to be condescending, but how old are you? How long have you been involved with F1? Sorry to say this, but it can't be long, otherwise you would know that Newey's career itself contains the evidence, as do those of many other star F1 designers, all of whom have explained these things themselves. It's not for nothing that people always talk about three-year plans. And it's only logical when you think about it.

Unfortunately, you're falling victim to the "Newey effect," which all too often confuses correlation with causation and underestimates the immense technological complexity of modern Formula 1. Today's F1 cars consist of around 14,500 individual parts – no one in the world, not even Adrian Newey, can keep track of them all in their head, let alone design them single-handedly. Anyone who believes that the mere presence of a genius would turn an organization of over a thousand employees into a serial winner at the snap of a finger is not only misjudging the hard facts of F1 history and the mechanisms within an F1 team, but also mathematics.

First, let's take a look at the statistics: The claim that 80% of his cars won is correct, yes, when viewed simply and glossed over. There were models such as the MP4/18, which did not compete in a single race, or the MP4/19, which first required a massively modified B version, or the 2006 McLaren or the 1998 Williams, in the design of both of which he was involved as chief engineer, and which must be taken into account if one does not want to gloss over the figures. That lowers Newey's rate to around 70% (a rate that people like Rory Byrne and Aldo Costa also have, both of whom, incidentally, mostly beat Newey as chief designers in the early 2000s and 2010s – yet Costa's cars at Dallara are not winning at Le Mans now, nor did Byrne's Ferraris win immediately in the 1990s... . for the reasons mentioned...). But be that as it may, even 70% is undoubtedly impressive, but it also shows that almost every third year/car did not win – mostly because the organizational basis in the team was not right. Just read Newey's book... He'll explain to you himself why the 2003 McLaren didn't win and why it was due to organizational issues within the team...

And let's look at the reality at Red Bull: Newey joined the team in 2006. Nevertheless, Red Bull languished in midfield in 2006, 2007, and 2008, finishing 7th, 5th, and 7th again in the constructors' championship. Why didn't he snap his fingers, which you believe he is capable of doing? Or did he suddenly have a stroke and need to recover? It wasn't until 2009 – in his fourth year and aided by a massive rule change – that the breakthrough came. As I said, Newey's own history alone refutes you and proves the opposite, because those three years of preparation were necessary to fundamentally restructure the entire internal organization, the correlation between the wind tunnel and the track, and the work processes. A genius without a perfectly functioning tool in the form of a well-coordinated team is simply powerless.
History is full of examples that prove this. John Barnard, the technological pioneer of the 1980s, failed several times at Ferrari to "remote control" the team. He had the most brilliant ideas, but the organization in Maranello was unable to implement them flawlessly from a technical standpoint. Even the legendary duo of Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne needed several years to get started at Ferrari. They joined a team in 1996/97 that already had enormous resources at its disposal, and yet it took until 1999 and 2000, respectively, for the era of dominance to begin. The reason was not a lack of talent, but the necessary introduction of methodological discipline and new work processes.

Technically speaking, a technical director/chief technical officer (or whatever title he has) like Newey/Brawn today is less of a draftsman and more of a "filter." He sets the philosophical direction, but if the other 999 engineers don't execute the details perfectly, the basic concept is worthless. The example of Aston Martin underscores this: Although they have state-of-the-art infrastructure, the team first has to learn how to validate the flood of data from the new wind tunnel so that it also works on the race track. The fact that Williams crashed after Newey's departure in 1998 was less due to the absence of his drawing board than to the collapse of the structures he had established and the simultaneous loss of Renault factory engines.

A Formula 1 team is a highly complex machine made up of thousands of cogs. Anyone who believes that you can throw a genius in at the top and immediately get a winning car out at the bottom, without taking into account the years of organizational fine-tuning, fails to recognize that F1 is a team sport at the molecular level. Newey will bring Aston Martin forward—but he will need time to do so, just as he needed at Red Bull.

To be honest, I don't know why I'm talking and explaining so much—it's just logical, and anyone who has ever had anything to do with F1 or even just spoken to an engineer knows that, sorry... or even just read an interview or a book or two... as I said, Newey will be successful. Just as Brawn and Byrne were successful at Ferrari, or Costa at Mercedes. But not just because they come in and snap their fingers... but because they create organizations and structures, implement methods and principles and philosophies as well as technology. But they don't just snap their fingers. If that were the case – and once again, even recent history proves you wrong – Newey would have snapped his fingers and conjured up a decent gearbox for Aston Martin... and not one that is obviously just bad... why? Because the technology for it is lacking. And Newey doesn't build gearboxes... perhaps this simple current example makes the connections clear.
Everyone has their own opinion, of course. I don't like it when you bring up age, especially since you have several solid arguments and I'd like to base my argument solely on that. A dialogue, we don't have to necessarily convince ourselves of other people's ideas. Closing this premise, regarding the team not being ready yet, I don't think so at all. It's obvious that if Newey goes to Cadillac, this won't become a world championship car, It seems to me that Briatore himself also declared that he wanted Newey, and that the latter didn't find them "attractive." This means that Aston Martin has a lot of untapped potential: just think about 2023 when they showed up with those sloping sides set a precedent for McLaren, in 2024 with floating sidepods and also in 2025 they had tiny radiators. Among other things, in 2024 the team that made the most updates overall. This team isn't like the 2007 Red Bulls, it's a team with a lot of talent that lacked leadership and now they have it (they themselves declared it a few days ago). 2007 Red Bulls didn't have the best facilities in the paddock. Planning for a win three years ahead is something for those who have excuses. In 2021, Alpine had declared that they were aiming to win in 2025, in the meantime almost the entire corporate structure has changed and look where they are. You don't know what will happen in 3 years, if the staff changes, if the engine changes, etc. You always have to focus on the current season to make Getting better and better. Even Cowell, when Newey introduced himself to the team and said they hoped to win within two years, said he did it to motivate the team to push and win right away and that it wasn't true that he wanted to wait 2 years. But that's how it's done, then it can go wrong, that's another story. But I assure you that the car they brought is not a car for those who are already thinking about a 3-year cycle and are thinking about winning the following years like Redbull 2007, it's a car that's scary to look at, it's super extreme, it's not conservative in any way, it's a car that already wants to win. As for the MP-18, it's the only car so far that Newey has really made a mistake and that hasn't even taken to the track, but in 2003 they were fighting for the world championship anyway. Then it was a different F1,Ferrari was the team that spent the most, just as in the turbo hybrid era Redbull was the third team that spent the most and among other things Newey had also lost interest in the regulations because he was building a sailing boat. Things have really changed after the Budget Cup, teams like McLaren 2023 have made a sensational comeback that has probably never happened in the entire history of F1, following the your reasoning this could never have happened, among other things a customer team. Well, Williams 98 and McLaren 2006 weren't his projects anymore, Williams 98 isn't even named after him, a bit like rb20. Regarding Newey alone, he brought several of his own solutions, such as the rb16b rear suspension and the 2009 McLaren pylons. Not saying that it is Newey's work is simply nonsense. Even the aerodynamic and non-mechanical suspensions are his work, there is a lot of his hand in this car, denying it would not be true also because in the interview he himself declares who challenged the mechanics and they accepted the challenge. They themselves declared that they waited until the end for his arrival to validate his ideas. This is not overestimating anyone, They say it themselves, Alonso himself, I mean, guys, this isn't barroom propaganda. He's the greatest engineer in history, capable of even making Leyton House win. 100% of all its teams have reached the podium so far, that's not an opinion, it's a fact. A small digression: McLaren MP18 (there were no tunnels or simulators like there are today) had broken the single lap record, It was a monster of a concept that was too far ahead of its time, but it innovated and set a precedent. I conclude by saying that it's obvious that Newey alone isn't enough, everything needs to be integrated, but in my opinion Aston Martin is a team that has finished its preparations and is ready to win.
Good comments, but just for readability is it possible to put some paragraph brakes (joke!) in? It would really make the comments more friendly.
its a breeze if you just take a coffee break every 400 words or so :lol: