2025 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, Oct 3 - 5

[Badger]

But his brakes didnt fail - His front left brake disc fialed, not his brakes, please, details matter right?

An end plate can come lose, at high speeds and hit another driver, could be potentially lethal, its why we have regulations that force teams to pit and change them if the structural intergrity of it is compromised, not just for others safety, but for the driver too, cause if your front wing fails, you wont have any brakes, or be able to turn at all at high speeds. Ask Kobayashi.........

If your saying a f1 car running a little off pace is dangerous, then quali sessions should be banned out right for cars moving much much slower on out laps and cool down laps, seeing as motor racing is dangerous by nature, maybe we should give up real racing and just do sim racing. much much safer.

Hamilton had a brake failure and Lando didn’t, yet you said he did. Why did you misrepresent such an important fact? Then you immediately pivoted to a bent end plate when you realised you were mistaken. It’s almost as if there’s some other motive here, the way you felt the need to cast Hamilton as the victim when in reality he was lucky to get away with only a 5s penalty for cutting.

Any road car that has a brake failure is immediately illegal to drive. All those risks are elevated even more in an F1 race. It’s about as dangerous as it gets when it comes to car related failures.

Relevance to road vehicles doesn't exactly translate in judgment here.

But for argument sake, many (virtually all) HGV and coaches will systematically do more or less what Hamilton has done here, that is not use much friction brake to conserve that for emergency use in ultimately arresting the vehicle. Heavy vehicles are nearly always operating with transmission system as speed control on serious decent/gradient, that to leave the friction system as emergency (it leaves them cold) should that eventually arise.

The front and rear system are discreet on race cars (virtually all road vehicle too) for hydraulic independence, the rears seemed to be still operational, plus the PU braking effect he was using.
Certainly it seems injudicious of him to leave track designated surface in cutting corners etc, for which he received penalty, correctly it appears.
By slowing his pace he was able to operate the car without it seems risk to others.
The front "failure" appears to have run out of friction material, but it will still operate with just the backing pad, in an emergency. That may be view as drastic, but it will still work. He attenuated his pace to suit what he had, in reality. Its not definitive for anyone outside that specific knowledge sphere to judge otherwise.
Lando's in China was arguably more serious with apparently the loss of hydraulic fluid, making it more likely to be a total system failure.

Judgement of Hamilton, in this case is just a load of hot air without knowing the final state of his used components.

Just because you can avoid using the friction brake under optimal circumstances doesn’t mean it’s not a massive safety risk for it not to work. What do you think the coach driver does if a kid jumps in front of his vehicle? He doesn’t engine brake, he doesn’t aero brake, he steps on the friction brake. If they don’t work you’ll have a very bad situation and a very liable bus driver/company. On a racing track where you are regularly travelling above 250kph and braking over and over again heading into mostly blind corners, it’s not hard to see how a broken brake system poses a massive safety risk.

Personally I think they should institute a hard rule that if one or more of your brakes fail completely then you must box and retire immediately. Make it easy for the stewards and teams.

[Farnborough]

Rules, rules and more rules .....

It's not a public road, nobody is on the track to make it safe .... for the drivers.

Retardation on these cars is something in the order of 1G when taking foot off throttle !

Hamilton is experienced enough to judge what he had in reserve and drove a pace accordingly, just to stroke it to the end. That's a racing normal situation.

There's evidence of friction material being entirely used on front left, not total system failure. It will still brake without that friction material if needed to.

What is being advocated here ? A new rule every single time an unusual event is observed ? Its racing, there's risk, get over it.

Absolutely nothing happened, apart from Alonso getting stroppy. Ridiculous to suggest anything else needs to come out of this.

[selvam_e2002]

The problem here is the Race stewards... As Alonso said, the rules should applicable for every one....

For me, you can not drive when the car is not safe. Sometimes they try to disqualify me with no mirror, and now you have no brakes and everything is fine? I doubt it."

[Farnborough]

I can quite see Alonso's point, LH doing everything to keep position was of course his interest.

Ultimately the stewards agreed, effectively changing the running order post finish.

[chrisc90]

Yeah, having little-no brakes is a hindsight more than having a broken mirror.

[basti313]

I can quite see Alonso's point, LH doing everything to keep position was of course his interest.

Ultimately the stewards agreed, effectively changing the running order post finish.

I do not think this is the point. He was in full control, braked early and went over the INSIDE of the corners, basically skipping whole chicanes. He did not miss corners like usual by not stopping the car, going straight, but he took them early, straight.
Deliberate chicane cutting was always a drive through if I see it correctly (Russel 25, Ham 2008 as two examples). Yuki got a 3 place grid drop for a cut in Monaco during qualifying on his inlap.

I am completely puzzled, how they could judge deliberately cutting multiple chicanes with 5sec here...feels like they have not seen the lap like many here.

Yeah, having little-no brakes is a hindsight more than having a broken mirror.

That does not matter. The car was not given the orange-black flag. Case closed.

[CMSMJ1]

I can quite see Alonso's point, LH doing everything to keep position was of course his interest.

Ultimately the stewards agreed, effectively changing the running order post finish.

I do not think this is the point. He was in full control, braked early and went over the INSIDE of the corners, basically skipping whole chicanes. He did not miss corners like usual by not stopping the car, going straight, but he took them early, straight.
Deliberate chicane cutting was always a drive through if I see it correctly (Russel 25, Ham 2008 as two examples). Yuki got a 3 place grid drop for a cut in Monaco during qualifying on his inlap.

I am completely puzzled, how they could judge deliberately cutting multiple chicanes with 5sec here...feels like they have not seen the lap like many here.

Yeah, having little-no brakes is a hindsight more than having a broken mirror.

That does not matter. The car was not given the orange-black flag. Case closed.

That's how I see it.

If you remove the brakes as an issue - they were not working as expected - but park that.

A driver, A, has no pace for *reasons* at the tail end of a GP... if he continued at that pace he would be caught and passed. Driver decides to cut all the corners and makes it over the line ahead of the following driver by..0.5s

Hows the rules going to treat that?

[FW17]

almost 20 years and the track owners have done nothing to improve the racing. While Monaco can do nothing, Singapore can do a lot. extending turn 7 to the next junction would do a lot for racing.