Monaco GP 2009 - Monte Carlo

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freedom_honda
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I find it rather amusing that BMW already had two engine failure this season and we only have had 5 races so far this year. Their remaining 6 engines has to last 12 races including this weekend. And i assuming at least one or two of those engines have already ran one race.It will be interesting to see how BMW uses their engines for the remainder of the season. I wishes the team has to tell the fans which engine they are using for each race so we will have a clear picture of how the teams are using an engine.
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Giblet wrote:
vasia wrote:
ernos5 wrote:They both had problems in FP1, Vettel had engine failure, and Webber stopped on circuit, not sure why, maybe another engine failure.
Red Bull's "famous" reliability problems are emerging once again. I wonder if the guys at Red Bull actually thought they had a reliable car for the year? As the season progresses, expect more reliability issues on the RB5.

Ironic they have driveshaft issues once again, since they had driveshaft problems in the earlier races of the season too.
I don't expect more reliability issues, and your only way of this "prediction" is last years results? This car is an entirely new Newey creation, which last years car was not. So far the car has not proven to be consistently unreliable in other areas. The driveshaft problem was with a boot manufactured by a third party, as the anlge of the driveshaft was too extreme for the boot to last. You can't count engine problems, as they don't build them.

So far they do actually have a reliable, race finishing/winning car, unlike, say, Ferrari.
No, not just last year's results. Red Bull had some reliability problems in 2007 and 2006 as well to an extent. Also Newey is famous since his McLaren days for building fast, but fragile and unreliable cars.

Obviously engines are not manufactured by them, but it is their choice what engine maker to use, and if they picked an engine supplier that makes unreliable engines, well then it's their choice. Driveshaft angle is once again, a choice made by the team or more specifically a choice likely made by Newey while designing the car. If you make a design too extreme, you will suffer consequences in terms of reliability and durability.

Ferrari in the past few years has also had some unreliable cars.
freedom_honda wrote:I find it rather amusing that BMW already had two engine failure this season and we only have 5 races this year. Their remaining 6 engines has to last 12 races including this weekend. And i assuming at least one or two of those engines have already ran one race.It will be interesting to see how BMW uses their engines for the remainder of the season. I wishes the team has to tell the fans which engine they are using for each race so we will have a clear picture of how the teams are using an engine.
I find it amusing in general as to how badly BMW is suffering right now, even though work on their 2009 car started early.

I remember all the boasting by BMW fans, and BMW themselves of how they were quickly going to challenge the top teams for championships, and become a regular Championship contender. So much for those claims. I knew it was too good to be true, and it was.

You cannot enter F1 and in only a few years become a top Championship contender year-in and year-out. It just doesn't work that way.

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2006 and 2007, and 2009 were not Newey cars. Using them to judge the new car is rubbish. Newey makes cars fast by pushing the envelope. No designer could have made a call on the failure of a rubber boot for a drive shaft.

His first complete car is a race winner in 3 races. That is awesome.

Comparing to his Mclarens, which were deadly fast, but also fragile, is more realistic. You think maybe a genius like Newey is capable of learning form his mistakes?

So if they get the driveshaft problem worked out, which they of course will, what will be wrong with them then, other then your opinion about the current unproven car?
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http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/5/9378.html
Willy Rampf, BMW Sauber head of engineering:
"This was a disappointing practice day. The car's performance is a long way behind what we were expecting. On top of that, due to technical problems, we lost valuable time for setting up the cars. Robert's engine failure happened during the last planned running of this engine on a Friday. Therefore, the failure doesn't impact on the number of engines we can use over the rest of the season. Of course the failure cost Robert valuable time when he should have been working on his car's set-up."
Look like RK escaped it this time :)
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ESPImperium wrote:Some Chassis data for the guys who like to chew over that data.

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Still to get the data for Monaco for Red Bull, Brawn and Force India. I think that the FIA should make the teams to publish the chassis they have used, or publish them on Jo Bauers official race report after every race.
Great graphic. Interestingly in Ferrari's case Kimi was supposed to have the new chassis last race that was lighter weight adn he appears to based on the numbering scheme. It looks like he's using it again. More interestingly though is that Felipe is in Kimi's old car rather than in a new tub like we expected (like they gave Kimi)

Before any stupid conspiracy theories is this for certain?

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"The Super Soft tyre (recognised - as the softer option of the weekend - by a green sidewall stripe) was faster than the Soft tyre, ; the difference between the two tyres today was around 0.4 seconds over the fastest lap (for each driver). Both tyres delivered their fastest lap on the first or second flying lap and neither tyre suffers greatly in terms of wear or degradation because of the low grip here."
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Giblet wrote:2006 and 2007, and 2009 were not Newey cars. Using them to judge the new car is rubbish. Newey makes cars fast by pushing the envelope. No designer could have made a call on the failure of a rubber boot for a drive shaft.

His first complete car is a race winner in 3 races. That is awesome.

Comparing to his Mclarens, which were deadly fast, but also fragile, is more realistic. You think maybe a genius like Newey is capable of learning form his mistakes?

So if they get the driveshaft problem worked out, which they of course will, what will be wrong with them then, other then your opinion about the current unproven car?
Newey is a genius, but he is still human. He is not perfect. There is no guarantee he will learn from all of his mistakes.

If the RB5 has no more reliability problems this season after this, I will eat my words. If not, well then ...

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“In terms of set-up differences, teams can use a more aggressive set-up than for the race stint. Of particular importance for qualifying runs, a higher inner tyre pressure is generally used as the focus is usually the second flying lap,” explains Hamashima. “A higher pressure means a good ride height is retained and also the pressure increase from tyre temperature change over two laps is not as great as can be seen when more laps are run.”
why a ride height in Monaco is so important?

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^ All the bumps and off camber corners I imagine?

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plus with lower ride height you get more underbody downforce which is more effective at low speed than the wings are.

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A higher inner tyre pressure? It's like he's saying you can adjust the inner and outer tyre pressure seperately. :wtf: It might be interesting though, less friction on straights and equal grip in cornering. :lol:
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paused wrote:
richard_leeds wrote:
I was wondering if it simply to allow people to get access to their houses!

edit to add ... I've just downloaded the iCalendar and inmported to Outlook, it shows Thurs practice for Monaco. By the way, clicking on the file only adds the first Adeleide session. you need to go to File>Import and select "icalendar(vcs)", then it works correctly.
Yes it just one of those quirky traditions that make Monaco special. Quote from Wikipedia

Organisation

The Monaco Grand Prix is organised each year by the Automobile Club de Monaco which also runs the Monte Carlo Rally and the Junior Monaco Kart Cup.[28]

It differs in several ways from other Grands Prix. The practice session for the race is held on the Thursday preceding the race instead of Friday.[29] This allows the streets to be opened to the public again on the Friday.Until the late 1990s the race started at 3:30 p.m. local time - an hour and a half later than other European Formula One races. In recent years the race has fallen in line with the other Formula One races for the convenience of television viewers.

I once heard someone mentioned that this was because Prince Rainier refused to let the race start until he finished his lunch but I don't know how accurate this claim is.
isn't the track occupied by GP2 today?
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yes, they said on one of the commentaries the friday is a public holiday in monaco or something

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alex1015 wrote:
ESPImperium wrote:Some Chassis data for the guys who like to chew over that data.

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Still to get the data for Monaco for Red Bull, Brawn and Force India. I think that the FIA should make the teams to publish the chassis they have used, or publish them on Jo Bauers official race report after every race.
Great graphic. Interestingly in Ferrari's case Kimi was supposed to have the new chassis last race that was lighter weight adn he appears to based on the numbering scheme. It looks like he's using it again. More interestingly though is that Felipe is in Kimi's old car rather than in a new tub like we expected (like they gave Kimi)

Before any stupid conspiracy theories is this for certain?
If you look at Renault, Piqet seems to have only gone in one other tub, but thats that Alsons is like, he seemingly has 2 diffrent tubs to choose from at the start of a race, a more open one and a more closed one, in terms of how he wants the car to handle, due to strategically placed weights.

I also find it intresting that Vettel has stuck with Kates Dirty Sister, over Kate since he smashed up Kate at Melbourne. But Vettel names his cars, so im using his naming system there.

Im shure the chart will get better looking later in the year.

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Moanlower wrote: isn't the track occupied by GP2 today?
they still open the streets back up to the public for the remainder of the day. just enough time for the cars, trucks, and buses to drop oil & fluids all over it :)
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