2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

[radosav]

Did anyone hear Gasly saying "now we can fight" on the board radio? That was an awesome sarcasm for Alonso

don't know why people at torro rosso, i mean drivers, say such a thing against mclaren and renault? if they think honda is better engine then they should be happy with it.

Considering all the rubbish thrown at Honda for the last 3 years and still now from Alonso, it's perfectly plausible.

"Now we can fight" "We can forget about the midfield now" not to mention the claims about the chassis, which is looking rather ordinary.

Besides TR hasn't forgotten the treatment they received from Renault at the end of last year.

well vandooren did make 11 overtakes today, and alonso few of them too, including hamilton on first lap, that was impossible during honda years. honda deserved all that bashing. remember alonso pushing his car during qualy???

[Talisman]

What a great result! Certainly wasn’t expecting this at all. Great job from all concerned, just a shame about Hartley but with this car he will have his day too.

[Talisman]

don't know why people at torro rosso, i mean drivers, say such a thing against mclaren and renault? if they think honda is better engine then they should be happy with it.

Considering all the rubbish thrown at Honda for the last 3 years and still now from Alonso, it's perfectly plausible.

"Now we can fight" "We can forget about the midfield now" not to mention the claims about the chassis, which is looking rather ordinary.

Besides TR hasn't forgotten the treatment they received from Renault at the end of last year.

well vandooren did make 11 overtakes today, and alonso few of them too, including hamilton on first lap, that was impossible during honda years. honda deserved all that bashing. remember alonso pushing his car during qualy???

Good result for McLaren today too. Their package wasn’t quick but they made the most of the opportunities they were given just as in Melbourne. Why’ve so bitter?

They had to perform well at bahrain too, after all they had to justify to their biggest single shareholder, the Bahrainis at their home race that the move to Renault was worth the net £70 million loss per year.

[radosav]

Considering all the rubbish thrown at Honda for the last 3 years and still now from Alonso, it's perfectly plausible.

"Now we can fight" "We can forget about the midfield now" not to mention the claims about the chassis, which is looking rather ordinary.

Besides TR hasn't forgotten the treatment they received from Renault at the end of last year.

well vandooren did make 11 overtakes today, and alonso few of them too, including hamilton on first lap, that was impossible during honda years. honda deserved all that bashing. remember alonso pushing his car during qualy???

Good result for McLaren today too. Their package wasn’t quick but they made the most of the opportunities they were given just as in Melbourne. Why’ve so bitter?

They had to perform well at bahrain too, after all they had to justify to their biggest single shareholder, the Bahrainis at their home race that the move to Renault was worth the net £70 million loss per year.

i think making one of the greatest team in f1 a limping backmarker during those three years was enough justification

[Talisman]

Honda doesn’t supply McLaren any more and as Zac Brown said the chassis is on a par with the RBR according to The GPS so you have nothing to worry about.

If you were absolutely confident the move was worth the financial sacrifice you wouldn’t be here.

Now toddle off back to the McLaren thread where you belong and enjoy the double points finish you had today.

[Sayeman]

well vandooren did make 11 overtakes today, and alonso few of them too, including hamilton on first lap, that was impossible during honda years. honda deserved all that bashing. remember alonso pushing his car during qualy???

Good result for McLaren today too. Their package wasn’t quick but they made the most of the opportunities they were given just as in Melbourne. Why’ve so bitter?

They had to perform well at bahrain too, after all they had to justify to their biggest single shareholder, the Bahrainis at their home race that the move to Renault was worth the net £70 million loss per year.

i think making one of the greatest team in f1 a limping backmarker during those three years was enough justification

Honda didnt make them a limping backmarker..They were on a downward slope even before 2015. Lewis left them to win titles, Alonso went back because no top team wants anything to do with him. Heads will roll if they don't improve soon. Mclaren gave up close to 100mil for an engine that might not even be any better than Honda right now.

[rogazilla]

And that was the whole problem honda fans have with mclaren and some of their fans. Every Honda fan will tell you that Honda did not make a PU reliable enough and taken some blame for the car but as a partnership it could not have been only the PU. Thats what McLaren want everyone to believe. Honda develops very fast in my opinion evident in 2016. Even 2017 while reliabily plagued the PU we saw end of season Honda engine becomes better. All it took was willing compromise from TR and we see what a partnership can do. If mclaren was willing to compromise the so called best chasis ok the grid in 2017 could honda have sorted out their problem even faster? This race is very telling in the fact that no one will say TR has the best chasis but the performance as a car is definitely up there.

[radosav]

Good result for McLaren today too. Their package wasn’t quick but they made the most of the opportunities they were given just as in Melbourne. Why’ve so bitter?

They had to perform well at bahrain too, after all they had to justify to their biggest single shareholder, the Bahrainis at their home race that the move to Renault was worth the net £70 million loss per year.

i think making one of the greatest team in f1 a limping backmarker during those three years was enough justification

Honda didnt make them a limping backmarker..They were on a downward slope even before 2015. Lewis left them to win titles, Alonso went back because no top team wants anything to do with him. Heads will roll if they don't improve soon. Mclaren gave up close to 100mil for an engine that might not even be any better than Honda right now.

just remember those races when people were happy if mclaren car could make half race distance

[roon]

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Marko: "That made a man out of him," said Marko. "His reward is the fourth place. All our drivers have a very good bonus system. This will more than please him.

"I didn't expect a fourth place that early - but it's a positive development. It was the target to challenge the midfield with this engine. Not here, but in the first half of the season."

Great image, really sums things up. Fantastic result. Who cares about the title race, this season's about STR-Honda vs McLaren.

[Manoah2u]

what if STR wins a gp o.O

[Singabule]

Now that's what a great team looks like

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaRnP0BX0AARIzV?format=jpg

Only one Honda guy?

Other Honda guys are probably celebrating elsewhere and eating sushi.

No, they still cant believe their PU has decent pace. They tried to retrieve race and GPS data and call urgent meeting thought the night

[Singabule]

what if STR wins a gp o.O

Not yet, but race to the first podium is interesting with MCL

[sn809]

Yeah Hartley is way over his head. If you didn't make F1 the first time around, you're probably not good enough to make it the second time around. He was way off the pace a struggling Kvyatt and now he is miles off Gasly. Just wish he'd pack his bags already and hopefully someone competent can take his seat.

Get your facts:
- was 1 tenth from Q3.
- was running 10th when penalty for pushing Perez... anyone saw the incident? Because iirc Sky never showed it properly
- without penalty he would've been easily 10 or close to Ericsson

Wow the term turn coat comes to mind. Will you guys give it a break with Hartley. As quoted above there were a lot of mitigating circumstances.
He only got the aero package on saturday whilst Gasly had been using it since Friday.
Hartly had a very good start, the team should have been put on mediums but there was definitely data being collected between the two cars and they had to be on similar strategies for the data to be relevant.

[Soichiro]

Yeah Hartley is way over his head. If you didn't make F1 the first time around, you're probably not good enough to make it the second time around. He was way off the pace a struggling Kvyatt and now he is miles off Gasly. Just wish he'd pack his bags already and hopefully someone competent can take his seat.

Get your facts:
- was 1 tenth from Q3.
- was running 10th when penalty for pushing Perez... anyone saw the incident? Because iirc Sky never showed it properly
- without penalty he would've been easily 10 or close to Ericsson

Wow the term turn coat comes to mind. Will you guys give it a break with Hartley. As quoted above there were a lot of mitigating circumstances.
He only got the aero package on saturday whilst Gasly had been using it since Friday.
Hartly had a very good start, the team should have been put on mediums but there was definitely data being collected between the two cars and they had to be on similar strategies for the data to be relevant.

I also believe they screwed up Hartley's strategy a bit. In my opinion, he should have box on lap 26/27 and then stay out till the end. But it's very easy to play the captain after the battle

[Singabule]

I Really relieved that honda sees end of tunnel with TR. As a honda fan becoming 3 years of laughing stock hurt a lot. I Just hope Hartley improve his game to help gasly, so they are not in the position of sainz and kviat. Also harley and gasly is more mature relationship wise than sainz and max.