The Sauber F1 Team is pleased to announce that Pascal Wehrlein will complete the team’s driver line-up for the 2017 Formula One World Championship. He will race alongside Swede Marcus Ericsson who continues with the Swiss team.
Since you asked, there it is.ME4ME wrote:If you're going to make a statement like that, please refer to the source. Which experts are you actually talking about?
I don't think even the biggest Sauber fan would think the team will fight with Haas next year.ME4ME wrote:I expect Sauber to quite easily beat Manor through the use of better structural resources and possible financial backing. If they were to sign Wehrlein, they will probably have a better driver line-up than Manor too. I expect Haas to struggle next year, having not had unlimited wind tunnel time this year, so Sauber might beat them too, at least at the start of the season.
Manor would re-hire Haryanto? This is the weirdest thing ever.Manoah2u wrote:newsreports talk about Wehrlein and Haryanto on the 'shortlist' for Sauber '17. Interestingly thus, no mention of Guitterrez, though i won't rule him out.
Ericsson - Wehrlein @ Sauber ??
Nasr - Haryanto @ Manor ??
getting stranger by the minute.
The first article leaves me cold. Who is that guy even? Just another columnist stating his very own opinion. The Tost article doesn't quote him as saying Sauber being dead last in 2017.edu2703 wrote:Oliver Harden: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2670 ... 17-f1-grid
Toro Rosso boss Franz Tost: http://www.crash.net/f1/news/234983/1/t ... -move.html
ME4ME wrote:I expect Sauber to quite easily beat Manor through the use of better structural resources and possible financial backing. If they were to sign Wehrlein, they will probably have a better driver line-up than Manor too. I expect Haas to struggle next year, having not had unlimited wind tunnel time this year, so Sauber might beat them too, at least at the start of the season.
You are making asumptions. I didn't compare Wehrlein to Nasr, nor did I degrade Nasr in any way. Don't try to put words in my mouth, or re-start the Nasr discussion. You know my opinion, I know yours.edu2703 wrote:I don't think even the biggest Sauber fan would think the team will fight with Haas next year.
If you read carefully the above articles, you will see that your predictions have a very litte chance of happening. Oliver's article is very complete and leaves no doubt that Sauber will be the worst team in 2017.
About line-up: I do not think this has much influence on the championship, unless there is a big difference in talent among the chosen drivers.
For me, it seems like you see a big difference in talent between Werhlein and Nasr. Werhlein is a very good driver and Nasr is average/ mediocre for you. I would not say that with Nasr being Sauber's biggest scorer for the second consecutive year and having more points than Werhlein this year. I know what you're going to say: 'It was a crazy race or something', but this detail can not be forgotten.
I would be happy to see Nasr in Manor, although some people don't. Fitzpatrick has been praising Nasr recently. Nasr drew his attention after the Brazilian GP.Manoah2u wrote:newsreports talk about Wehrlein and Haryanto on the 'shortlist' for Sauber '17. Interestingly thus, no mention of Guitterrez, though i won't rule him out.
Ericsson - Wehrlein @ Sauber ??
Nasr - Haryanto @ Manor ??
getting stranger by the minute.
Why do people prefer to criticize the source or the person who wrote the article instead of criticizing what is written in the article?ME4ME wrote:The first article leaves me cold. Who is that guy even? Just another columnist stating his very own opinion.
Because the value of what is written is zero if the author isn't creditable. In this case, it's just another opinion like mine and yours.edu2703 wrote:Why do people prefer to criticize the source or the person who wrote the article instead of criticizing what is written in the article?ME4ME wrote:The first article leaves me cold. Who is that guy even? Just another columnist stating his very own opinion.
ALL articles are personal views of the author. No one can guess what happens next year accurately. So each one makes assumptions based on arguments. Even if I have an article from the most reliable source in this world, you would disagree because you already have an irreducible personal conviction on the subject.ME4ME wrote:Because the value of what is written is zero if the author isn't creditable. In this case, it's just another opinion like mine and yours.
There you go again, suggesting what I would do, as if you know it for a fact, taking my statements and connecting implications to it that aren't there. Stop that.edu2703 wrote:ALL articles are personal views of the author. No one can guess what happens next year accurately. So each one makes assumptions based on arguments. Even if I have an article from the most reliable source in this world, you would disagree because you already have an irreducible personal conviction on the subject.
It wouldn't, your quite right. To see a crap driver in this position is hilarious!edu2703 wrote:
It's not funny to see a good driver in this situation...
No he didn't, when they were teammates Nasr was consistently ahead.NathanOlder wrote:It wouldn't, your quite right. To see a crap driver in this position is hilarious!edu2703 wrote:
It's not funny to see a good driver in this situation...
Palmer destroyed him in equal machinery in GP2, and no one particularly rates Palmer right now. So Nasr is like a rubbish Palmer
Nasr has never done anything to impress.
If Sauber had say, Hulkenberg, Perez, Kobayashi still onboard they would be probably be in double figures in points this season. Nasr and Ericsson are very poor for F1 standards. Neither did anything worth mentioning in lower formulas. So its time for Nasr at least to go to IndyCar or WEC
I'll repeat: of course Nasr isn't much. But if outscoring the team-mate for 29X9 and making at least two great races (australia 2015 and brazil 16) in his first two years is not enough to deserve a seat, at least more than many others around there, I dont know what he should have done.NathanOlder wrote:It wouldn't, your quite right. To see a crap driver in this position is hilarious!edu2703 wrote:
It's not funny to see a good driver in this situation...
Palmer destroyed him in equal machinery in GP2, and no one particularly rates Palmer right now. So Nasr is like a rubbish Palmer
Nasr has never done anything to impress.
If Sauber had say, Hulkenberg, Perez, Kobayashi still onboard they would be probably be in double figures in points this season. Nasr and Ericsson are very poor for F1 standards. Neither did anything worth mentioning in lower formulas. So its time for Nasr at least to go to IndyCar or WEC
And Palmer is?efuloni wrote:I repeat: Nasr is not that good. Im sure he is not one of the 22 best drivers in the world. All Im saying is that is a little bit unfair to say that he didnt show enough, considering that drivers who performed worse are still there.
