An interesting close-up of the new sidepod, where we can see how the air outlet around the exhaust pipe can also act as an airflow conditioner (downwashing):
I’m having trouble connecting the title with what Stella says. To direct question Stella says: not so much downwash, more like wide sidepod.ing. wrote:Interesting discussion on the benefits of a large undercut, including how SF-23 implemented this:
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-m ... /10482217/
Pundits see a shape and they know right away what the flow does, even if the flow vis suggests something completely different (but hey, who cares about actual visualised flow!), or in Ferrari's case - very similar to how it was before, ie still inwashing sidepods.
The pundit mentions that the Ferrari is still in-washing, BTW. Must have read your analysis is my guess.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑13 Jun 2023, 22:40
Pundits see a shape and they know right away what the flow does, even if the flow vis suggests something completely different (but hey, who cares about actual visualised flow!), or in Ferrari's case - very similar to how it was before, ie still inwashing sidepods.
Curious quote that by Stella. Possibly referring to the sidepods staying wide at the bottom of the ramp (at the back) versus a Coke-bottle shape.dialtone wrote: ↑13 Jun 2023, 22:26I’m having trouble connecting the title with what Stella says. To direct question Stella says: not so much downwash, more like wide sidepod.ing. wrote:Interesting discussion on the benefits of a large undercut, including how SF-23 implemented this:
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-m ... /10482217/
Ferrari has had wide sidepods forever, it’s not really a change in phylosophy and when it comes to the rear even the article has to admit that it’s still inwash.
Like Clear says, Ferrari is taking inspiration from other cars and testing in their tunnel but it’s a stretch, even for this article, to say they are going downwash or shifting concept.
Yes to inwash predominately still..."Meanwhile, the sunken bodywork that formed the bathtub on the outgoing solution has been transformed into more of a gulley and feeds airflow into the new downwash section. However, it's worth noting that Ferrari has fallen short of widening the bodywork here and is still broadly following the in-wash philosophy it previously employed."..... from that autosport article.ing. wrote: ↑13 Jun 2023, 22:57The pundit mentions that the Ferrari is still in-washing, BTW. Must have read your analysis is my guess.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑13 Jun 2023, 22:40
Pundits see a shape and they know right away what the flow does, even if the flow vis suggests something completely different (but hey, who cares about actual visualised flow!), or in Ferrari's case - very similar to how it was before, ie still inwashing sidepods.
Hard to know if this is the case because they couldn’t fully realize a down-washing design and shelf cooling within the cost cap, or if they’re still going their own way (in-washing) on this.
They obviously saw benefits in deepening the undercut, though, if they did so.
Crystal clearVanja #66 wrote: ↑13 Jun 2023, 22:40Pundits see a shape and they know right away what the flow does, even if the flow vis suggests something completely different (but hey, who cares about actual visualised flow!), or in Ferrari's case - very similar to how it was before, ie still inwashing sidepods.
I feel the same way. Above all, some of what he writes doesn't necessarily make much sense. I don't think he really understood what Stella wanted to tell him...dialtone wrote: ↑13 Jun 2023, 22:26I’m having trouble connecting the title with what Stella says. To direct question Stella says: not so much downwash, more like wide sidepod.ing. wrote:Interesting discussion on the benefits of a large undercut, including how SF-23 implemented this:
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-m ... /10482217/
Ferrari has had wide sidepods forever, it’s not really a change in phylosophy and when it comes to the rear even the article has to admit that it’s still inwash.
Like Clear says, Ferrari is taking inspiration from other cars and testing in their tunnel but it’s a stretch, even for this article, to say they are going downwash or shifting concept.
Tbh, I only reacted to dialtone's post at the time, didn't really look at the article, so that's on meing. wrote: ↑13 Jun 2023, 22:57The pundit mentions that the Ferrari is still in-washing, BTW. Must have read your analysis is my guess.
Hard to know if this is the case because they couldn’t fully realize a down-washing design and shelf cooling within the cost cap, or if they’re still going their own way (in-washing) on this.
They obviously saw benefits in deepening the undercut, though, if they did so.