2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[TyreSlip]

What is going on with this unserious team? Slow pace, not a clue about the reasons, driveability is a mess, pit stops are average at best, car breaks down at random and now the wheel detaches itself.

Aston Martin has had the worst pistops overall this season.

[Alo_Fan]

The car looks dreadful to drive, feel sorry for both drivers. Would take a brilliant lap from Alonso to do anything in qualifying other than Q1

[search]

But Alonso was fastest in the longrun!

So you just need to ignore that there was no time left to add fuel

[-wkst-]

But Alonso was fastest in the longrun!

So you just need to ignore that there was no time left to add fuel

On the other side his fast lap was with a 10+ laps fuel load.

[FNTC]

I thougt Aston looked like maybe the slowest car after FP1, but this one is puzzling. Lower fuel maybe, but 2 seconds faster than Hulkenberg on same tire and similar amount of laps? Over a second on Hamilton? I don't trust that its that good, but Alonso seems like he was cooking on that stint on softs.

[diffuser]

Many speculated that AMR23 was a copy of Red Bull, but Fallows was announced in summer of 2021 and the agreement reached allowed Fallows to join Aston Martin only in April 2022. So he spent almost a year away from Red Bull, which logically distanced him from everything.

He probably brought the aerodynamic philosophical approach to the car but could not have copied. Plus, the Mercedes hardware, forced Fallows to forge his own aero path.

So AMR23 was indeed a successful car, then he failed to developed it but there's many factors in the equitation that led to the failure not uniquely his work, e.g. : Whitmarsh's management.

What did Whitmarsh do?

Culture and strategy come from the top down. Strategic decisions come from above the technical director, especially when there's pressure from Lawrence to deliver results fast.

Whitmarsh comes from a different era, and while he has the credit from delivering the new factory on time and within budget his absence from F1 for seven years might mean his input is more business than on cutting-edge car philosophy. That could lead to mismatches with what a technical director like Fallows was trying to build. The floor upgrade strategy might even have been a Whitmarsh 's directive.

This is why Cowell was appointed, to rise the team to the standards to what he was used to at Mercedes.

So you don't know of anything that he did poorly.


WhitMarsh was retired before signing a 3 year contract in Oct of 2021. His contract was due to end in Oct of 2024. Whitmarch was primary brought in to build the 3 buildings, notice how his contract ended right after the building were finished.? In fact, Whitmarsh and Cowell are good friends and Andy was Martin's recommendation as his replacement. For the most part, Whitmarsh stayed out of the racing. I think Stroll just used him for his experience, run the day to day and the buildings, like Stroll used Krack. Krack was never a real TD, he was just keeping the seat warm. Cowell has made himself TD, for now. We'll see what happens after Cardile arrives, it may stay the same or it will change. Martin was all just part of the plan to build the team up for the next stage. The Newey, Cardile and Cowell stage.

[diffuser]

But Alonso was fastest in the longrun!

So you just need to ignore that there was no time left to add fuel

On the other side his fast lap was with a 10+ laps fuel load.

He didn't sound happy on the radio... In retrospective, he might have just felt rushed for time after the steering wheel issue and having missed FP1. He did 1 fast lap on softs(2 laps), came into the pits for 4 turns more front wing, went back out for a quali run and abandoned it "he said the tires where finished" and started his long run.

[Sedaxel]

https://preview.redd.it/these-were-the- ... 6e1d86106b

I thougt Aston looked like maybe the slowest car after FP1, but this one is puzzling. Lower fuel maybe, but 2 seconds faster than Hulkenberg on same tire and similar amount of laps? Over a second on Hamilton? I don't trust that its that good, but Alonso seems like he was cooking on that stint on softs.

I don't trust that data either. Actually, on Spanish tv they were saying Alonso didn't pit (so he was on heavy fuel load in his fresh soft lap) but... They were wrong in one thing. Alonso did pit. I was looking at the time table, and he was on pit a couple minutes after his fast lap try and the cooling one.

I mean... Maybe he did refuel. Maybe everyone missed that and thought he didn't pit and refuel.

I don't know if he refueled, but I'm almost sure that he did pit.

[diffuser]

https://preview.redd.it/these-were-the- ... 6e1d86106b

I thougt Aston looked like maybe the slowest car after FP1, but this one is puzzling. Lower fuel maybe, but 2 seconds faster than Hulkenberg on same tire and similar amount of laps? Over a second on Hamilton? I don't trust that its that good, but Alonso seems like he was cooking on that stint on softs.

I don't trust that data either. Actually, on Spanish tv they were saying Alonso didn't pit (so he was on heavy fuel load in his fresh soft lap) but... They were wrong in one thing. Alonso did pit. I was looking at the time table, and he was on pit a couple minutes after his fast lap try and the cooling one.

I mean... Maybe he did refuel. Maybe everyone missed that and thought he didn't pit and refuel.

I don't know if he refueled, but I'm almost sure that he did pit.

I don't know about the data but I can tell you, you need to go into the garage to refuel and he never turned the PU off.

[Sedaxel]

https://preview.redd.it/these-were-the- ... 6e1d86106b

I thougt Aston looked like maybe the slowest car after FP1, but this one is puzzling. Lower fuel maybe, but 2 seconds faster than Hulkenberg on same tire and similar amount of laps? Over a second on Hamilton? I don't trust that its that good, but Alonso seems like he was cooking on that stint on softs.

I don't trust that data either. Actually, on Spanish tv they were saying Alonso didn't pit (so he was on heavy fuel load in his fresh soft lap) but... They were wrong in one thing. Alonso did pit. I was looking at the time table, and he was on pit a couple minutes after his fast lap try and the cooling one.

I mean... Maybe he did refuel. Maybe everyone missed that and thought he didn't pit and refuel.

I don't know if he refueled, but I'm almost sure that he did pit.

I don't know about the data but I can tell you, you need to go into the garage to refuel and he never turned the PU off.

Ok, then he didn't refuel. That's good news.

Anyway, not a chance I believe he is the second fastest long run. I mean, it's impossible.

[FNTC]

I saw the post FP2 interviews now, and both Lance and Alonso say they are not competitive on this track.

[AR3-GP]

I saw the post FP2 interviews now, and both Lance and Alonso say they are not competitive on this track.

2023 was so long ago.

[mvfad]

Alonso is one of the best drivers of all time, but he is obviously not 3 seconds per lap faster than Stroll in equal conditions and in the dry. Obviously he was not doing a long run with a full tank (or he was at max power - which is not very common). Looking at the telemetry, he was even using DRS intermittently (unlike Stroll who did not use DRS on the long run).

[Rikrikrik]

If the Imola or Barcelona upgrades are not a B spec from Newey's mind and with the new wind tunnel, its better forget this year quickly. Maybe AM is making the same thing as Mclaren did 2 years ago? Mclaren was last team in Bahrain and they ascend after new wind tunnel car rised up, they said at the time that the car was known to be bad. Im trying to find some explanation to this unbeliveable down fall.

[zoroastar]

What do you mean the AMR23 wasn't Fallows' doing? He joined in the spring of '22 and was given carte blanche by Lawrence.

i think hes saying fallows brought over a redbull, painted it green and called it the AMR23 haha

Many speculated that AMR23 was a copy of Red Bull, but Fallows was announced in summer of 2021 and the agreement reached allowed Fallows to join Aston Martin only in April 2022. So he spent almost a year away from Red Bull, which logically distanced him from everything.

He probably brought the aerodynamic philosophical approach to the car but could not have copied. Plus, the Mercedes hardware, forced Fallows to forge his own aero path.

So AMR23 was indeed a successful car, then he failed to developed it but there's many factors in the equitation that led to the failure not uniquely his work, e.g. : Whitmarsh's management.

i think that he brought a newey inspired design, but i doubt that it could have been a direct copy of anything. at the start of 23, nobody had brought a car that was well rounded at a good amount of tracks except for redbull. and now that newey has left redbull, they are struggling with that too. unfortunately, i think these crazy ground effect cars were more complicated than what fallows (or most other designers) had dealt with in the past. it doesnt seem like any of the teams are ever truely confident that the upgrades they bring are actually going to work anymore, or if its gonna bring in some bad bouncing or something that negates everything. and teams like aston seem totally clueless sometimes.