2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[ringo]

Santiago! Santiago!

Ricky was saying this when Lewis got pole.
What does this mean?

Agree with the thought that we still cannot know the true order behind Mclaren at just the second round with limited setup time.

Mercedes looked like theyre still faster but just had some of the w15 dna where things fall away a little for them in Q3.

Redbull i feel is inherently faster also. Max had enough front end left in those tyres to close down on Lewis in the sector 3. Redbull dont do so well in sprint weekends because they need time to hone their weapon.
So this weekend is not the ureka moment at it appears.

[f1316]

Slightly irritatingly , the picture on the F1 app for SQ is a total spoiler - Lewis standing on the car pumping his fist in triumph - but I’ll take that spoiler vs a bad result any day

The car looked good out of the gate here. I don’t think we can judge what the race pace will be (vs McLaren or anyone else really) because the car seems to be in a completely different window than last week. Maybe the new, smooth track is helping them run it lower, but whatever the reason may be, last week’s pace in a wet race is irrelevant. Presuming something changed from Friday to Saturday last week (and Fred’s comments that the Friday running was more the car’s real performance makes me think it did) then the Friday long runs by Leclerc in Australia give me cause for optimism.

Realistically, I still think the McLaren looks to have a step on everyone else, but if it’s primarily through looking after tyres, a sprint may be easier to hold track position to the flag than a full length race.

[sypack]

Santiago! Santiago!

Ricky was saying this when Lewis got pole.
What does this mean?

Agree with the thought that we still cannot know the true order behind Mclaren at just the second round with limited setup time.

Mercedes looked like theyre still faster but just had some of the w15 dna where things fall away a little for them in Q3.

Redbull i feel is inherently faster also. Max had enough front end left in those tyres to close down on Lewis in the sector 3. Redbull dont do so well in sprint weekends because they need time to hone their weapon.
So this weekend is not the ureka moment at it appears.

Over here people sometimes say when something unexpected happens: if this happens, i'll walk to santiago de compostela (very long journey on foot). Maybe something like that?

[bluechris]

In the race thread they have a video of Hamilton vs Max, and is pretty obvious the huge gains that Max has in braking late. I cannot imagine if both our drivers fix this soon because at least Leclerc cannot brake like he did all the previous years. The car needs a lot of work but signs are positive.
I believe no matter the result tomorrow, soon we will be constantly fighting for wins. Well just not in rain maybe

[ringo]

It cannot be fixed as it's already pretty good. Redbull has always been best on the brakes.
Ricciardo exploited this strength the most. And that's why he looked ordinary in other cars.
I think it has to do with how the redbull's aero stability responds to pitch.
These guys are elite drivers so they wont leave any margin of grip when they brake. They will get everything available.
So I am not expecting any braking improvement. They car maybe needs more downforce or tyre optimization i guess.

[dialtone]

RedBull best on brakes? Since F1-76 Ferrari has been th e absolute best, not even close. Telemetry doesn't lie, always braking later and faster. This year is different but let's not rewrite history.

[ringo]

RedBull best on brakes? Since F1-76 Ferrari has been th e absolute best, not even close. Telemetry doesn't lie, always braking later and faster. This year is different but let's not rewrite history.

Well where's your evidence?
Happy to prove you wrong. But that's for another thread.
Keep in mind I am not talking about this ground effect era. I am talking from 2010 till now.

[organic]

Redbull has always been best on the brakes.

2022-2024 red bulls were not good on the brakes. They consistently lost time to Ferrari in 2022, 2023 and even 2024 in braking zones

[ringo]

Max's style is to brake early. Perez braking tells a different story.

[ryaan2904]

Keep in mind that braking is actually one of Leclerc's biggest strengths as well, so its like a double stack if we have a car with good braking stability

[JPower]

Santiago! Santiago!

Ricky was saying this when Lewis got pole.
What does this mean?

Just a code name for good job. With Sainz he used Baby Shark.

[Juzh]

The car is absolute junk, this team is washed, they should have given Newey 200 million a year to come to Italy. Get Vasseur out and someone call Horner or Stella

A billion. Take it or leave it.

[f1Follower]

Was there any Race simulation done by any constructor for Chinese GP?

[dialtone]

RedBull best on brakes? Since F1-76 Ferrari has been th e absolute best, not even close. Telemetry doesn't lie, always braking later and faster. This year is different but let's not rewrite history.

Well where's your evidence?
Happy to prove you wrong. But that's for another thread.
Keep in mind I am not talking about this ground effect era. I am talking from 2010 till now.

I’m not gonna go back to posts from 3 years ago for this… lookup monaco 2022 for an example here, Ferrari was later on brakes and earlier on acceleration.

Any race with my telemetry analysis that year shows Ferrari being better on braking. RedBull even changed brake manufacturer in the last 3 years as they weren’t happy with it.

[ringo]

RedBull best on brakes? Since F1-76 Ferrari has been th e absolute best, not even close. Telemetry doesn't lie, always braking later and faster. This year is different but let's not rewrite history.

Well where's your evidence?
Happy to prove you wrong. But that's for another thread.
Keep in mind I am not talking about this ground effect era. I am talking from 2010 till now.

I’m not gonna go back to posts from 3 years ago for this… lookup monaco 2022 for an example here, Ferrari was later on brakes and earlier on acceleration.

Any race with my telemetry analysis that year shows Ferrari being better on braking. RedBull even changed brake manufacturer in the last 3 years as they weren’t happy with it.

So one sample point, at a unique track like Monaco.
I agree with the early acceleration. Ferrari quite good on the traction because of their PU characteristics.

Anyhow focusing on this track Max is noticeably later on the brakes with deeper turn in and it is wrong to assume Charles or Lewis, who are known heavy brakers, are being soft on the brakes and needing to "learn how to brake" like some are suggesting. The car just doesnt have any more in it.
Long story short, I am not so confident with the rest of the weekend for the race pace.
The car still has a lot of understeer and Mclaren mercedes and redbull will get sorted after collecting data from the sprint.
I'm a bit pessimistic about the prospects.