2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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r85 wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 09:21
ringo wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 04:33
Agreed on P3 being likely if Norris and Piastri maintain their relatively good performance.
The field will stretch and open up strategy opportunities for Mclaren to use both cars.
Redbull could bring Yuki into play here.
The redflags in the last race did not help him in Practice or Qualifying. If Yuki is even up to P7, he can be used to help Max.
I think the car will be easier to drive in Bahrain, but so will the McLarens and this is a sport of relativity.
The Ferraris will also be a threat and Mercedes.
It may be a race of damage limitation for Redbull. But at least the car can be 2nd best if it's setup progressively over a weekend. That's what we have seen in Suzuka.
I agree with most of the points, but won't the field be at its closest for a while in Bahrain? Teams have had 3 days of running on the track, none of the cars have had major upgrades and there's the benefit of 3 race weekends of car understanding they'll be bringing to Bahrain. The pecking order might not change, but if the field is close then I can see Verstappen winning the race through strategy like Hamilton in 2021.
Potentially but the conditions during the test were very abnormal. It might not have given teams as much useful data for this upcoming weekend as they'd be used to in previous seasons.

Either way, if teams ARE quickly dialed in because of the help of testing data, then it would only make RB/Verstappen's job harder because Mclaren will also be dialed in, and when they have such great race pace and low tire wear, they will have advantages when it comes to strategy options.

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According to DrObbs, main upgrade will be floor, coming to Imola.

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r85 wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 09:21
I agree with most of the points, but won't the field be at its closest for a while in Bahrain? Teams have had 3 days of running on the track, none of the cars have had major upgrades and there's the benefit of 3 race weekends of car understanding they'll be bringing to Bahrain. The pecking order might not change, but if the field is close then I can see Verstappen winning the race through strategy like Hamilton in 2021.
Ferrari will bring new floor for Bahrain, I expect most teams will prepare with some updates latest by Miami so it will be increasingly difficult for Red Bull (Max) to stay afloat before Imola. Then we need to pray that Imola package actually works. Remember how difficult was for them to make the Bahrain Day3 new floor work. It took them like a full day of testing to find a setup with it.

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Sergej wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 13:32
According to DrObbs, main upgrade will be floor, coming to Imola.
Has to work... Why they pushed it back to race 6 we don't know

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organic wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 14:06
Sergej wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 13:32
According to DrObbs, main upgrade will be floor, coming to Imola.
Has to work... Why they pushed it back to race 6 we don't know
I want to be positive for once :D If a 3 race delay is useful to make it work / improve it, I'll take it. If with upgrade they can manage to put the car whereabout McLaren is (know this is a bit delusional but it's the only hope), a little delay won't damage Max too much on the long term, vice versa if it does change nothing, then bringing it now or in Imola it's the same.

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organic wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 14:06
Sergej wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 13:32
According to DrObbs, main upgrade will be floor, coming to Imola.
Has to work... Why they pushed it back to race 6 we don't know
Better late and working than early and rushed. Max has already "stalled" the WDC with his performance in the first three rounds. So long as he keeps maximizing and Lando and Oscar juggle the ball between themselves the lead should not expand too much between now and Imola.

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Watto wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 08:28
I still heavily favor Lando or Oscar to win the WDX.


But I think a lot depends if and how well RBR update(s) work i'm very skeptical they are will got on top of their issues. If they had a stable base but needed to add speed I might get i tbut they have thus far still had a somewhat difficult car to drive.

If though the updates work well and its somewhere around the McLaren pace with Oscar and Lando taking points off each other plus perhaps the some wins by Ferrari or Mercedes and I think the Max factor as being very interesting.

If however RBR updates still don't make a big difference than well....


I think all things considered RBR/Max would take being 1 point off the WDC from pre season testing/early form.
You all know I am not in Max's camp, but I do not see Norris or Oscar beating Max over a season. They have the speed, but they falter once in a while. Max has more passion for racing. That guy eats and sleeps racing. I think he is going to be mentally at 100% 100% of the time this year. Just seeing How Norris got desperate and tried to exit the pitlane side by side and ending up in the grass.. It was embarrassing. He's already lost the championship mentally.
Mclaren need to be 3 tenths per lap faster to win. Not because these guys have less talent or speed, but they need that buffer not to be on the same piece of track as Max.
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Let me play the devil's advocate for a moment :

Many of us seem to be pinning 'hope' on the Imola update. Please don't risk getting disappointed later. The 'correlation problem' is the elephant in the room and unless they fix it, whatever new parts come can't be relied upon to work. Just before Miami, there was 'japan update' in 2024 and I remember reading James Allison's comment on it - "that looks more like a downgrade", and guess what, it was more or less true. The car tanked after Miami. It wasn't until Singapore's 'bodging the bodge' school science fare fix, that lacked finesse, that the car regained some semblance of competitiveness. It gave me the impression that they threw all their 'data' into the bin, and asked someone not involved with the car and working on some other project, to suggest a fix. That's what gave them direction to come with more precise fixes for end of season.

So please don't get your hopes up just because we are hearing the word 'upgrade'. Don't believe Helmut Marko.

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ringo wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 17:11
Watto wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 08:28
I still heavily favor Lando or Oscar to win the WDX.


But I think a lot depends if and how well RBR update(s) work i'm very skeptical they are will got on top of their issues. If they had a stable base but needed to add speed I might get i tbut they have thus far still had a somewhat difficult car to drive.

If though the updates work well and its somewhere around the McLaren pace with Oscar and Lando taking points off each other plus perhaps the some wins by Ferrari or Mercedes and I think the Max factor as being very interesting.

If however RBR updates still don't make a big difference than well....


I think all things considered RBR/Max would take being 1 point off the WDC from pre season testing/early form.
You all know I am not in Max's camp, but I do not see Norris or Oscar beating Max over a season. They have the speed, but they falter once in a while. Max has more passion for racing. That guy eats and sleeps racing. I think he is going to be mentally at 100% 100% of the time this year. Just seeing How Norris got desperate and tried to exit the pitlane side by side and ending up in the grass.. It was embarrassing. He's already lost the championship mentally.
Mclaren need to be 3 tenths per lap faster to win. Not because these guys have less talent or speed, but they need that buffer not to be on the same piece of track as Max.
Allow me to also play devil's advocate for a second.

As for the bit in bold, I agree, perhaps Max's greatest strength as a driver is his metronome like consistency week after week. In the next few weeks Max will become a father for the first time. Will that impact him in this area? I have no idea, just a thought that occurred to me reading that.

Edit: Max obviously is around Kelly's daughter "P" a lot so being a "parent like figure" isn't completely new to him, but having a new born will be new to him.

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A realistic assessment from Paul Monaghan:
"How twitchy your car is, or how nervous your car is, perhaps you will say it is relative. I bet there are 18 other cars in this pit lane that all of us would find really quite difficult to drive.

"So you are trying to get your car as balanced as you can and we're what, one, two-tenths off the quickest car in the pit lane.

"Last year's [car] had some flaws, and we've addressed those quite significantly without giving away much, in my opinion. Now we've got to try and get this one to be a little better.

"If we're two-tenths off on a five-and-a-half kilometre circuit with 20-something corners, if we find a few hundredths in each corner, all of a sudden, we're on the pace of the current lead car.

"But they're all quite difficult. Now we've just got to try and get a little bit more speed out of this one, try and improve its stability to the point that the drivers find it easier to drive.

"If we can do that, and put some lap time into it, all will be well and good. We'll be in the hunt."
https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-pinp ... b21-f1-car

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They are only few tracks with only most high speed corners only so mclaren and mercedes will soon be back in the game maybe ferrari too .dont forget that maclaren has a car that can save tires and is not prone to overheating.

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lio007 wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 18:35
A realistic assessment from Paul Monaghan:
"How twitchy your car is, or how nervous your car is, perhaps you will say it is relative. I bet there are 18 other cars in this pit lane that all of us would find really quite difficult to drive.

"So you are trying to get your car as balanced as you can and we're what, one, two-tenths off the quickest car in the pit lane.

"Last year's [car] had some flaws, and we've addressed those quite significantly without giving away much, in my opinion. Now we've got to try and get this one to be a little better.

"If we're two-tenths off on a five-and-a-half kilometre circuit with 20-something corners, if we find a few hundredths in each corner, all of a sudden, we're on the pace of the current lead car.

"But they're all quite difficult. Now we've just got to try and get a little bit more speed out of this one, try and improve its stability to the point that the drivers find it easier to drive.

"If we can do that, and put some lap time into it, all will be well and good. We'll be in the hunt."
https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-pinp ... b21-f1-car

Is Monaghan the one you were referring to cryptically some weeks ago? He is the last of the big names I would think?
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AR3-GP wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 19:24
lio007 wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 18:35
A realistic assessment from Paul Monaghan:
"How twitchy your car is, or how nervous your car is, perhaps you will say it is relative. I bet there are 18 other cars in this pit lane that all of us would find really quite difficult to drive.

"So you are trying to get your car as balanced as you can and we're what, one, two-tenths off the quickest car in the pit lane.

"Last year's [car] had some flaws, and we've addressed those quite significantly without giving away much, in my opinion. Now we've got to try and get this one to be a little better.

"If we're two-tenths off on a five-and-a-half kilometre circuit with 20-something corners, if we find a few hundredths in each corner, all of a sudden, we're on the pace of the current lead car.

"But they're all quite difficult. Now we've just got to try and get a little bit more speed out of this one, try and improve its stability to the point that the drivers find it easier to drive.

"If we can do that, and put some lap time into it, all will be well and good. We'll be in the hunt."
https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-pinp ... b21-f1-car

Is Monaghan the one you were referring to cryptically some weeks ago? He is the last of the big names I would think?
No, it wasn't him.

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It is unlikely to be possible to win at Bahrain unlike Suzuka.

Bahrain allows for racing, and even if Max gets a pole (very very unlikely), it is very unlikely he'll keep the lead for more than 5 laps.

Maybe a late SC drama with Max on the right tires is the only way but those are rare and few.
Call a spade, a spade.

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Yes I really feel Bahrain weekend will bring us crashing back to reality