2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[ollandos]

honda destroy all ready this year and high possilbe the 2018 year...there is no reason for top stuff people stay with the team there is no motivation all work lost ..mclaren must go to mercedes right now for engine ..ok you can not win us customer but you can be second ..you can win red bull and ferrari and you can save your head and the company you can save your money ...until the f1 go out of engine period ...the next engines are coming soon and if you stay there you are maybe you find your us the less prepare again ....2nd best its better from NEVER touch the top standars so simple ...the white flag is the right choise

[ollandos]

The most inteligent thing McLaren Honda have to do, if they want to win, is stop the current development of the MCL32 and MCL33, and invest all the resources to design, test and develop the 2019 car, with the engine in top of the list.

Those 2 years can be used to test for the 2019's car.

MCL32 was started in middle 2015. If it is as good as McLaren think it is, then why wait until 2019.

Take 2017 as development year (again due to Honda), and built / develop mega car for next year. Honda thinks this engine has the potential to beat the Merc engine.

2017 as development year? and what a .f...k they do 3 years? play lego?...there is no change for mclaren to keep the top crew of the team ...its possible alonso or any other top driver or engineer to stay or come on this team ?...why? you think honda can develop the engine faster than other ?..3 year they cant tranfer ''safe'' solutions ..you know any other team which want honda engines?..not even free you know any sponsor for not ever complete the race team?...not even for free ...honda is far away for top level standars for f1 ...they need many many years

[RS200E]

For the sake of balance of opinion, I think Honda will get much better by mid season. These calls of going back to Mercedes are ridiculous.

[diffuser]

Like wazari said, they left no time for testing in Honda, and this is the aftermath. My fear is that when they fix something, something else will fail because of lack of testing, and the wicked circle will continue...

yep Vandoorne should be on a plane to Japan to get into a Mule and run laps.

[mclaren111]

For the sake of balance of opinion, I think Honda will get much better by mid season. These calls of going back to Mercedes are ridiculous.

Totally agree !!!!

[aleks_ader]

It is simple really. If Mclaren wants to win they need wait patiently. But if they want to compete they can just ditch Honda.

[SR71]

For the sake of balance of opinion, I think Honda will get much better by mid season. These calls of going back to Mercedes are ridiculous.

Totally agree !!!!

For the sake of reality, Honda can only develop in one direction. Literally setting the new low benchmark so impossible to get worse.

I do hope they fix their gremlins though.

[BosF1]

But if they want to compete they can just ditch Honda.

They can't because A. they have a contract with Honda in which B. Honda agreed to give McLaren an aweful lot of money on a yearly base. I very much doubt McLaren could do without the cashflow from Sakura, because Alonso alone is for 25M on the payroll of Honda.
Even if Honda and McLaren would agree to cancel their contract and McLaren would be able to somehow manage to do without their money, than C. They would not be able to find a PU supplier on such a short note and D. They most likely would not be able to integrate the PU into the chassis in a couple of weeks.
All in all I think all people saying Honda should be ditched this season should think this a bit more through.

[ripper]

Well... I still believe that Honda will sort out those problems, but it will take time. I expect a decent leap for AUS spec

[AMG.Tzan]

For the sake of balance of opinion, I think Honda will get much better by mid season. These calls of going back to Mercedes are ridiculous.

I agree here...they can bring a new spec in every race if they want to this year...after all if they start with this engine they will always start last...so no problem they can use as many engines as they want! And i also believe this engine is going to be better than Renault when they finally get it together!

[aleks_ader]

But if they want to compete they can just ditch Honda.

They can't because A. they have a contract with Honda in which B. Honda agreed to give McLaren an aweful lot of money on a yearly base. I very much doubt McLaren could do without the cashflow from Sakura, because Alonso alone is for 25M on the payroll of Honda.
Even if Honda and McLaren would agree to cancel their contract and McLaren would be able to somehow manage to do without their money, than C. They would not be able to find a PU supplier on such a short note and D. They most likely would not be able to integrate the PU into the chassis in a couple of weeks.
All in all I think all people saying Honda should be ditched this season should think this a bit more through.

That was not intend of my message. I was thinking just more metaphorically. We all know the being manufacturer is all the to the top. Mcl are not RB and dont have Adrian anymore.

[Chicane]

Hasegawa: We may even be further back, so that is very disappointing.

http://www.racer.com/f1/item/138711-hon ... rmance-gap

[BrunoH]

they are all in with Honda.. thats the problem, they cant exit now.. my hope is that 2020 will have a big engine regulation change..
and that there will be 2 kinds of engines.. 1.6 turbo hybrids like today and some sort of V8 hybrid like before or v10 hybrid that can match the power, and be less complex, and more affordable to the teams..
and they can choose from more torque from the Turbo, or a lighter more afordable v8 /v10 engine with less complexity like before and a bit lighter due to having less radiators inter coolers.. and less battery... and the bonus of the Noise back to the fans.. otherwise i guess its impossible to be with Honda after 2020....

[ollandos]

Hasegawa: We may even be further back, so that is very disappointing.

http://www.racer.com/f1/item/138711-hon ... rmance-gap

next year part of the engine development will be frozen? its correct this?...

[dren]

Hasegawa: We may even be further back, so that is very disappointing.

http://www.racer.com/f1/item/138711-hon ... rmance-gap

Ouch. That doesn't sound too promising.