2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Henri wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 13:30
Downforce777 wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 11:39
Jdn1327 wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 11:30
I wonder if ferrari sacrificed some quali speed to a setup that protects the fronts during the race...I couldn't see any mistakes from Charles or Lewis in their flying laps.
Hamilton lost about 0.25 in the last corner, I don't know if it was a mistake, but it was a big enough loss that cost him a couple of places on the grid
The sf25 was 3 tenths slower in s3 than yesterday.. it was the setup change
I think the click of the front wing for greater downforce to preserve the front tires in the race, I don’t know if it will justify itself, but on the straight, approximately 0.3 tenths was lost on S3, but even without it, Hamilton was on the first row, until the last corner

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kurtj wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 10:34
Did they change the car from yesterday? Neither driver had anything in the car to fight for top 3.
Lewis’ best lap was right there, until turn 14-16.

They have a good car that will improve. The margins are tight…it’s exciting.

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Slowing for turn 14 and then flying round the last corner could be where the time is lost.
Lewis said they made some tiny changes and those changes threw off the balance to a more knife edge car. The car seems spiky if it's not in it's sweet spot.
I am still hopeful for the race. Russel and Max could be the only two we can pick off during the race. And that's only if they have bad deg.
With the hard available maybe they wont have that issue.
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kurtj wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 10:34
Did they change the car from yesterday? Neither driver had anything in the car to fight for top 3.

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ringo wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 15:02
Slowing for turn 14 and then flying round the last corner could be where the time is lost.
Lewis said they made some tiny changes and those changes threw off the balance to a more knife edge car. The car seems spiky if it's not in it's sweet spot.
I am still hopeful for the race. Russel and Max could be the only two we can pick off during the race. And that's only if they have bad deg.
With the hard available maybe they wont have that issue.
in fact, I think the qualifying result does not reflect Ferrari, it is Lewis' own fault, he drove at the pace of Piastra until T16 and lost 0.2 tenths there, which cost him the first row, T9 was also dirty, for example, the same Leclerc in T16 was even faster than McLaren, this is not SF25, but Lewis's T16 all weekend is his problem

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Downforce777 wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 15:15
ringo wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 15:02
Slowing for turn 14 and then flying round the last corner could be where the time is lost.
Lewis said they made some tiny changes and those changes threw off the balance to a more knife edge car. The car seems spiky if it's not in it's sweet spot.
I am still hopeful for the race. Russel and Max could be the only two we can pick off during the race. And that's only if they have bad deg.
With the hard available maybe they wont have that issue.
in fact, I think the qualifying result does not reflect Ferrari, it is Lewis' own fault, he drove at the pace of Piastra until T16 and lost 0.2 tenths there, which cost him the first row, T9 was also dirty, for example, the same Leclerc in T16 was even faster than McLaren, this is not SF25, but Lewis's T16 all weekend is his problem
pardon me, which T16 are you talking about ? there are only 15 corners in this circuit

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The final is 16 on the official circuit map.

There is a technique Lewis learned from the McLaren days when he had button as teammate at this very same track.
This track, much more than the others, requires you to choose where you are going to use up more of your tyres decisively for the best qually outcome.
Sector 1 and sector 2 is where you can prioritize and then sacrifice 3. The sector 3 looks bad because the most time was gained in the first 2. If he saved in 1 and 2 and 3 was good, the overall time would be slower.
The car is just at it's limits in the conditions.
It's the 4th fastest over a single lap regardless of how the navy blue car driver and his fans downplay the pecking order.
When you have Charles and Lewis virtually on the same laptime, you can't question if there was more left in the lap.

Hopefully the engineers changed the setup for the big picture and maybe they can do 1 stop less than the others and win! :)
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ringo wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 15:27
The final is 16 on the official circuit map.

There is a technique Lewis learned from the McLaren days when he had button as teammate at this very same track.
This track, much more than the others, requires you to choose where you are going to use up more of your tyres decisively for the best qually outcome.
Sector 1 and sector 2 is where you can prioritize and then sacrifice 3. The sector 3 looks bad because the most time was gained in the first 2. If he saved in 1 and 2 and 3 was good, the overall time would be slower.
The car is just at it's limits in the conditions.
It's the 4th fastest over a single lap regardless of how the navy blue car driver and his fans downplay the pecking order.
When you have Charles and Lewis virtually on the same laptime, you can't question if there was more left in the lap.

Hopefully the engineers changed the setup for the big picture and maybe they can do 1 stop less than the others and win! :)
Lewis himself said that he could find a couple of tenths, so in fact I consider the Ferraris to be potentially fast, their high-speed and medium-speed cornering was the best, in T7 and T8 the Ferrari carried the most speed, the basic downforce is at a good level, the loss of time in S3 is due to one click in the increase of downforce on the front wing, to save the front tires for the race

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Downforce777 wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 13:38
Henri wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 13:30
Downforce777 wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 11:39

Hamilton lost about 0.25 in the last corner, I don't know if it was a mistake, but it was a big enough loss that cost him a couple of places on the grid
The sf25 was 3 tenths slower in s3 than yesterday.. it was the setup change
I think the click of the front wing for greater downforce to preserve the front tires in the race, I don’t know if it will justify itself, but on the straight, approximately 0.3 tenths was lost on S3, but even without it, Hamilton was on the first row, until the last corner
During the sprint Charles was bemoaning being unable to overtake George due to turn 13 and top speed.

They might have unloaded the rear slightly as their top speed seems to have increased relative to others compared to sprint q.

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Depending in how the first stint develops they should maybe split the strategies and try a 1 stop with one of the cars

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Maybe a one stop is in the table?

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Venturiation wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 16:32
Hamilton explains Ferrari's step back: "We made some changes to improve the race performance, making the car more difficult on a single lap"

https://autoracer.it/it/hamilton-confer ... ne-in-gara

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Luscion wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 16:35
Hamilton explains Ferrari's step back: "We made some changes to improve the race performance, making the car more difficult on a single lap"
https://autoracer.it/it/hamilton-confer ... ne-in-gara
I'm a slightly bit skeptical about this choice... Not because it's not right in itself, but Ferrari doesn't have good performance in T14-15 and if you want to pass you need to be good there under braking. Starting from the back and relying on tire deg means they need to either be patient, and then make no mistakes when you have free air, and/or lucky that you either get in front at the start or that race pace is close enough that you can regain your loss during the pit stop window.

If the race is a 1 stop I'm not sure how you regain the top by starting 5-6...

As I already said yesterday, they've got to sort out braking as fast as possible, this can be a really good car level with macca.

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bluechris wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 16:31
Maybe a one stop is in the table?
Please no. Imo you will die doing that. Just two stop it and try to pit later than everybody else.