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The F1T I know and love =D>Carlos wrote:Now no ... anal is not a technical term 'analyzing' team nomenclature. For instance, I reserve it as a request. A surprising number of women answer yes.
You do have a point there, but I think you bring it a bit heavy across. The way the qualifying went was certainly nothing but spectacular. Both guys at Lotus started with the same equipment and the same tyre choice. Even the come back was the same for them. Only Räikkönen is vastly more experienced than Grosjean. To have Grosjean outperform him by such a vast factor was a big surprise and embarrassing. Reputations are formed and lost by such singular events. We might have witnessed the begin of the end of Räikkönen's carrier in F1. On the other hand he may have had a spectacularly bad day and may come back to entertain us with some great drives this year. I'll not make a judgement yet. But we certainly had a talking point.Ray wrote:I sincerely do not understand about 80% of the people on this forum anymore. Almost everyone is throwing Kimi out of the picture and saying he's crap and Romain will beat him after the very first qualifying session of the season. There is no pattern here. There is only ONE data point. How anyone can come to a conclusion with that data set is frankly idiotic. I know it's normally forum banter, but this topic and the Australia race thread are full of this kind of illogical crap. It's ONE session for cripes sake. When we hit the European races maybe then predictions will have actual data to back them up, but now this is just talking to hear yourselves talk. I guess some people like hearing their own voice.
Except that Grosjean was running GP2 all last year on tires virtually identical to the F1 teams, and by and large the same tracks (made of asphalt). He also has worked with most of this team before, and has been doing nothing but circuit racing.WhiteBlue wrote:You do have a point there, but I think you bring it a bit heavy across. The way the qualifying went was certainly nothing but spectacular. Both guys at Lotus started with the same equipment and the same tyre choice. Even the come back was the same for them. Only Räikkönen is vastly more experienced than Grosjean. To have Grosjean outperform him by such a vast factor was a big surprise and embarrassing. Reputations are formed and lost by such singular events. We might have witnessed the begin of the end of Räikkönen's carrier in F1. On the other hand he may have had a spectacularly bad day and may come back to entertain us with some great drives this year. I'll not make a judgement yet. But we certainly had a talking point.Ray wrote:I sincerely do not understand about 80% of the people on this forum anymore. Almost everyone is throwing Kimi out of the picture and saying he's crap and Romain will beat him after the very first qualifying session of the season. There is no pattern here. There is only ONE data point. How anyone can come to a conclusion with that data set is frankly idiotic. I know it's normally forum banter, but this topic and the Australia race thread are full of this kind of illogical crap. It's ONE session for cripes sake. When we hit the European races maybe then predictions will have actual data to back them up, but now this is just talking to hear yourselves talk. I guess some people like hearing their own voice.
And like I said, this is one of many qualifying and race sessions this season. You cannot make any kind of factual conclusions based on 25 minutes of qualifying time. The Lotus started off with a bang last year and faded into obscurity after Malaysia. You can't base your conclusion on such a small amount of data. Come the European leg if Romain has beat him more often that not then the assumption can be made that Kimi is in "trouble" so to speak. Romain beat him this time, but that is in no way indicative of his future performances. You're jumping to conclusions with absolutely not data to back up your assumptions. Any number of 100 things could have gone wrong to knock Kimi out in that round, Kimi has said he/the team misjudged his remaining time and distance to the flag for another flying lap. That is an extremely easy mistake to make, happened a number of times to the big hitters last season, and has absolutely nothing to do with Kimis' speed compared to Romains' speed in the car. You simply cannot make that assumption/conclusion intelligently with just the results of one qualifying session. End of story. Reputations are won and lost on one sessions performance only to the foolish and ignorant. If you think he's no good anymore, then that's your problem and everyone else's that thinks he doesn't have what it takes anymore. Not fact, baseless assumption.WhiteBlue wrote:You do have a point there, but I think you bring it a bit heavy across. The way the qualifying went was certainly nothing but spectacular. Both guys at Lotus started with the same equipment and the same tyre choice. Even the come back was the same for them. Only Räikkönen is vastly more experienced than Grosjean. To have Grosjean outperform him by such a vast factor was a big surprise and embarrassing. Reputations are formed and lost by such singular events. We might have witnessed the begin of the end of Räikkönen's carrier in F1. On the other hand he may have had a spectacularly bad day and may come back to entertain us with some great drives this year. I'll not make a judgement yet. But we certainly had a talking point.
You forgot the biggest factor: Grosjean was running softs on his last run in Q1 while Raikkonen was running hards on his last run in Q1.WhiteBlue wrote:You do have a point there, but I think you bring it a bit heavy across. The way the qualifying went was certainly nothing but spectacular. Both guys at Lotus started with the same equipment and the same tyre choice. Even the come back was the same for them. Only Räikkönen is vastly more experienced than Grosjean. To have Grosjean outperform him by such a vast factor was a big surprise and embarrassing. Reputations are formed and lost by such singular events. We might have witnessed the begin of the end of Räikkönen's carrier in F1. On the other hand he may have had a spectacularly bad day and may come back to entertain us with some great drives this year. I'll not make a judgement yet. But we certainly had a talking point.Ray wrote:I sincerely do not understand about 80% of the people on this forum anymore. Almost everyone is throwing Kimi out of the picture and saying he's crap and Romain will beat him after the very first qualifying session of the season. There is no pattern here. There is only ONE data point. How anyone can come to a conclusion with that data set is frankly idiotic. I know it's normally forum banter, but this topic and the Australia race thread are full of this kind of illogical crap. It's ONE session for cripes sake. When we hit the European races maybe then predictions will have actual data to back them up, but now this is just talking to hear yourselves talk. I guess some people like hearing their own voice.
Nope. Definitely soft. Thanks to the color band.Cold Fussion wrote:I think Gorjean did his final q1 run on the harder tyres.
