USGP Michelin Tires

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Monstrobolaxa
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manchild wrote:
Monstrobolaxa wrote:...Bridgestone has been more conservative and you can clearly see that their tires can cope with the 300 km of the race!
Sorry Monstro but rear tyres on Barrichello's car which I've seen were almost gone even though they didn't have the pace of a real race.
The way they finish isn't the point....the point is keeping their integrety untill the ned of the race....there have been a whole lot more Michelin punctures then Bridgestone punctures.

Mclaren11
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Unbelievable!

My Support now lies Solely with the GPWC.

That was a waste of my money and time.

West
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Don't forget that Paul Stoddart did get all 10 signatures at Melbourne to run their 2004 spec car (albeit at the last minute) and still were refused

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/17680/

So even if Ferrari agreed to allow Michelin to run w/ a chicane or w/ the new tires (unlikely, either case), it is still up to the stewards to make the decision.

As for "not knowing" about the Concorde Agreement, I doubt anybody outside of F1 really knows what it holds.
Bring back wider rear wings, V10s, and tobacco advertisements

West
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I wonder what the "Arrows and Jaguar" guy felt

It's funny how my dad really wanted to go this year but my graduation ceremony was on Saturday.
Bring back wider rear wings, V10s, and tobacco advertisements

manchild
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JOINT PRESS RELEASE FROM THE MICHELIN TEAMS

2005 UNITED STATES GRAND PRIX - Indianapolis, Sunday, 19. Jun 2005

The Michelin teams deeply regret the position that they have been put in today and would like to apologise to all the spectators, TV viewers, Formula One fans and sponsors for not being able to take part in today’s USA Grand Prix.

Following Ralf Schumacher’s accident on Friday morning, we were advised by Michelin that none of the tyres that were available to the teams could be used unless the vehicle speed in Turn 13 was reduced. Without this Michelin did not consider the tyre to be safe to be used for the race.

All the teams are confident in Michelin and trust their advice as we know they are competent and responsible and their written instruction to us not to race unless changes to the circuit were made was accepted.

After final data from Michelin became available at 06.30 on Sunday morning it became clear that Michelin were not able to guarantee the safety of the drivers. Numerous discussions and meetings took place to find a safe solution to the problem. Every possibility for the race to go ahead in a safe manner was explored. The only practical solution was for a chicane to be installed prior to Turn 13 and nine of the teams were prepared to run under these conditions even forgoing championship points or by allowing non-Michelin teams to take top positions on the grid.

Unfortunately all proposals were rejected by the FIA.

Safety is always the first concern of any team and the FIA. Regrettably the teams were obliged to follow Michelin’s requirements not to race.

We are totally aware that the USA is an important market for Formula One and there is an obligation for Formula One to promote itself in a positive and professional manner. It is sad that we couldn’t showcase Formula One in the manner we would have liked today.

Note: The original release distributed in the media office at Indianapolis was signed by the Team Principals.

walter
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My Support now lies Solely with the GPWC.
Ditto

uzael
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I just got back from the USGP and all I have to say is that the Michelin teams are a bunch of two-faced liars. They say it was all about safety...blah blah blah. What a bunch of hypocrites. Ralf's accident happened on friday. By saturday morning, everyone at the track knew that Michelin had tire concerns and were working out some way to replace the tires. The michelin teams were still out there pounding out fast lap after fast lap. They really didn't seems to care then. In my opinion, this was just a way for some of the rival teams to make Ferrari/Bridgestone look stupid and re-enforce the demand for a control tire. It was absolutely shameful.
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manchild
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West wrote:Don't forget that Paul Stoddart did get all 10 signatures at Melbourne to run their 2004 spec car (albeit at the last minute) and still were refused

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/17680/

So even if Ferrari agreed to allow Michelin to run w/ a chicane or w/ the new tires (unlikely, either case), it is still up to the stewards to make the decision.

As for "not knowing" about the Concorde Agreement, I doubt anybody outside of F1 really knows what it holds.
That situation with Minardi also had 9 to 1 (also Ferrari) score for quite long.

Regardless on that, FIA concern and concern of their marshals/stewards and race director should be safety first and than everything else which obviously isn’t the case.

When 9 teams with all their specialist, engineers, technicians say that it is not safe and Bernie & Mossley say – “who cares about the safety” than they shouldn’t be in the sport at all.

When I mentioned Concorde replying to your post it was meant to point out that if Ferrari agreed than we’d have all teams in the race or no race at all (if stewards would still be against agreement made by teams). Either one of these two (all teams race or no race at all) would have been much better option than what we’ve seen today.

That is what happens when you don’t have democracy in F1 but Mossley’s and Bernie’s lifetime dictatorship…

I remember anti-Mossley protests by F1 fans even back in the late ‘80s and early ‘90s but he seams to be holding on like Castro and in the meantime nurturing Bernie as his successor.

manchild
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Why put the blame on Michelin teams when 9 out of 10 teams made an agreement? Why did those two Bridgestone teams agreed with 7 Michelin teams?

I understand how awful it must be to visit GP without seeing true race but what should Michelin teams have done?
Risk driver’s safety despite all warning signs? They generously offered to pull back and leave the front for Bridgestone teams... There was 90% majority saying one thing and still 10% of minority overcame (with a little help from their friends).

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excactly... there is no blame whatsoever to the Michelin teams. They have seen there is a problem and have suggested lots of possibilities to solve the solution in the face of safety. Then the FIA is stupid enough to keep hanging on to some rules. I couldn't believe my eyes with only 6 cars on the grid.
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In my opinion the FIA should have solved the problem, they could simply have allowed all teams to go with new tires for the race and that would have been the end of the soap, but no. And what have they gained now? Nothing at all, F1 has a real image problem now in the F1 and an even worse image at the people who follow the GPWC and surroundings..

My support indeed to the GPWC, tires have been designed by human beings, they can make an error. The FIA should simply not be so ignorant about that. Incredible... I now fear the same might happen when I will be at Spa later this year, seeing what happened with the tires there last year :evil:

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Jean Todt: (Ferrari Bridgestone)

"This was our first win and our first one-two finish of the season, obtained under very unusual circumstances. To be put this result in boxing terms, we and Bridgestone won with a technical knock-out. We witnessed a very close race between our two drivers, even if today’s main aim was to bring the cars home without any problems, whatever the finishing order. I am particularly happy that this is the hundredth win for a car produced under the technical direction of Rory Byrne, that coincides with the eightieth victory for the Scuderia since I have been running it. For Ferrari, this is an important win, coming as it does in a country that is our number one market. It was pleasing to see that, even in these circumstances there were so many of our fans and so many Prancing Horse banners in the grandstands right to the end of the race. I am very surprised by the situation that arose today, but would prefer not to comment on things that are not directly my responsibility. Bridgestone is doing an extraordinary job. There are now ten races to go to the end of the season and, as usual, we will do our utmost to reach our targets."

Paul Stoddart: (Minardi Bridgestone)

"This idea was rejected by FIA President, Max Mosley, and in no uncertain terms, the teams were told that, should this occur, there would be no race. This, in my opinion, is clearly not in the interests of the sport, the American public, or Formula One fans around the world.

"I have complete sympathy with the Michelin teams, and can take neither satisfaction from, nor interest in, this afternoon's race, if you can call it that. For the avoidance of doubt, Minardi only participated when it became clear that Jordan had changed its decision to compete from this morning.

"I sincerely hope that valuable lessons are taken away from here today before we destroy the sport we love with politics. A solution, which would have allowed the United States Grand Prix to have proceeded unaffected today existed, but was resisted by the FIA and not supported by Ferrari, who claimed it was not their problem."

manchild
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Will the teams who didn’t race be allowed to run new engines for French GP if they were running same engines from Canada during pre-race events in Indy including the formation lap? Is this another loophole?

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After all the talk, after all the hype, a race didn't happen today. The teams and sponsors, the suppliers, everyone involved in Formula One will al have their say in front of the TV cameras. But in the end, it was the race fan who got screwed. And by what? Insane politics right at the top of F1. Bernie and Max failed everyone this time, especially the fans.

Monstrobolaxa
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IMO they'll be able to race with a new engine....they did the practice sessions and qualy....though didn't start....to me it can be considered as a DNF!

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FIA stands for "Ferrari International Aid".