beelsebob wrote:SectorOne wrote:beelsebob wrote:we already see deaths in it and other motor sports.
No we don´t. We saw deaths yes but the last death in F1 was a very long time ago.
If by a long time ago you mean 2 months, sure.
Also bob, it's racing, it's always been dangerous. That's always been part of the allure - to watch heroes taking risks that us mere mortals would not. Things go wrong sometimes, but given the strength of the chassis construction nowadays, that alone has done far more to protect drivers than anything.
A pity Denis Jenkinson isn't still with us as I'd love to see what he would say about the influx of idiotic run-off areas. As a side note, the tarmac run-off areas we are seeing plague many of the FIA grade 1 circuits are actually extremely dangerous to motorcycle riders.
Thank god we've had people like Jackie Stewart to fight against this kind of idiocy. The idea that it's not racing if people aren't being killed is frankly retarded.
Jackie Stewart was a bloviating, jackass hypocrite who talked a real big game but did little to back up his empty words.
This is where you say, "Oh no, what are you talking about?"
Point out to me where Jackie Stewart ever bothered to stop for any driver who was in trouble? Graham Hill was kind enough to help him out at Spa in 1966, yet that example never seemed to stick with him other than to regal people with his stories. What do I mean? Do you recall Jackie helping Hailwood pulling Reggazoni from the burning car at Kyalami in '73? No, I sure don't. He was too busy passing under yellow flags to bother helping a fellow driver. Do you remember him bothering to stop to try and help David Purley pull Roger Williamson from the wreck at Zandvoort a few months later? No, I sure don't either.
The king of safety who did little to help anyone else on the circuit during a race. What a stellar role model.
Here's the thing I want to point out to you since it's usually lost on most people. Denis Jenkinson received a lot of heat from people then, and still does for that matter regarding what he said about Jackie Stewart and safety. A lot of people said who was he other than a writer? Remember, he was Stirling Moss' navigator for the 1955 Mille Miglia - a race far deadlier than any grand prix ever was due to it being on public roads that were not closed off (try doing 150MPH over blind crests with no idea of what was on the other side). He also did a bit of motorcycle racing, which was always far deadlier than auto racing ever was in any era.
You know what your problem is? You can't possibly fathom that someone might not like the current circuit environment for a plethora of reasons, none of which have to do with wanting to see anyone killed. Don't put words in my mouth because I never mentioned a single thing about seeing people killed. I said F1 could do with a little more danger. Not really quite the same thing as saying, "F1 could do with more danger so we see drivers running the risk of being killed again." But that would have meant you couldn't use your straw man argument. There's a fine distinction between wanting to see some danger brought back to F1 by way of eliminating endless runoffs and silly chicanes, versus calling for all armco to be removed along with trees lining the sides of the circuit.
Try again.
if there is another low speed zone like before its kind of pointless.