lol, with that comment, 2017 is already lost.Fer.Fan wrote:http://en.f1i.com/news/83795-erasing-ga ... rrari.html
Ferrari admitting problems with aero and chassis. Let`s hope they can improve for 2017.
Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines.
Maybe if alonso stayed 2 more year in Ferrari now he could be free for Merc I dunno? Anyway I still don't see how he is any better on McLaren sweating to get to q3 and points. And please don't answer with the usual he wanted a WDC so anything less than that is the same, cause I pretty sure driving a "GP2" engine is not as enjoyable nor there is any thing that points for McLaren to be a top contender for 2017, albeit neither does Ferrari.Manoah2u wrote:lol, with that comment, 2017 is already lost.Fer.Fan wrote:http://en.f1i.com/news/83795-erasing-ga ... rrari.html
Ferrari admitting problems with aero and chassis. Let`s hope they can improve for 2017.
If any people doubted Alonso's move to leave Ferrari?
Imagine if he'd still be there.
I'll just throw a Enzo Ferrari quote up in the air
Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines.
You like to hear it or not, that is a FACT. He grew tired of coming second every year and dragging a car and a team that were uncompetitive. He gave his best fives years of his life to Ferrari.Big Mangalhit wrote:And please don't answer with the usual he wanted a WDC so anything less than that is the same,
This is what Ferrari fans do. It seems like one cannot have life outside at all, if they ever work for Ferrari. You can't leave them, it's cheating, back stabbing, grossly unfair. Lauda, Prost, Alonso and now Allison. The kind of send off that Ferrari gave to Alonso shows a substandard and mediocre organizational behavior. Their management coming out and saying, they in fact laid off Alonso as they had hit a deal with Vettel. And fans saying, Alonso misled them in development and that is why they couldn't make competitive cars. What's happening now?Big Mangalhit wrote:What I think is a terrible thing is james allison fleeing the (sinking?) ship, indeed that doesn't look good before rule changes.
Think you are missing the point.f1316 wrote:Dear God, will it ever end?! You don't like Ferrari - we get it!
The problem of putting posts in Ferrari team thread is, YOU ARE EITHER WITH FERRARI OR AGAINST IT! No matter how one puts it, whether in eloquent way or in a brute way, the reality is that there are problems with Ferrari that hasn't gone away in the last decade.Gerhardsa wrote:Think you are missing the point.f1316 wrote:Dear God, will it ever end?! You don't like Ferrari - we get it!
The posts doesn't say anywhere, I think Ferrari is s!@#t, I don't like them bla bla bla. (maybe he doesn't, but the posts I read doesn't say that directly)
We all in some way have a connection, respect and liking towards Ferrari.
Its more it think out of frustration, that people post the "ah, here we go again. I don't expect much from them" posts.
The thing that makes people (and me as well) so mad about the modern day Scuderia is that they seem not to be able to stop hitting their heads like donkeys against the same tree, or learn from mistakes, on and off the track.
Not much has changed at Ferrari in the last 2-3 years, and 10 years since the dream team left the pitwall. Since then its all been this "only Italian culture and values" thing . The last couple of years, they are just "moving furniture around on the Titanic" by making hits guy from Marking the F1 Team principle, promoting that guy from aero to Chief Aero, moving this one to that role etc. The ship is still sinking.
They really do need better,fresh blood, new ideas, out the box thinking to get back in that tech department. The same with the team management culture.
Me, I would have made Flav Briatore Team principle 2 years ago and told him to do everything and anything he thinks will get the team back on track. But Ferrari being Ferrari.....
Explain insanity:---- "Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results."
And I love this team, but they suck ass
On the other hand I read that the recent changes brought some improvements which already began in the last races of 2016´s season. At least its true that the car looked better in the last races.Fer.Fan wrote:http://en.f1i.com/news/83795-erasing-ga ... rrari.html
Ferrari admitting problems with aero and chassis. Let`s hope they can improve for 2017.
To be fair I was pleasantly surprised with Ferrari´s improvement and peformance in 2015.can wrote:The recent Ferrari situation is a shame.
I cant even remotely imagine, that they could surprise us (in a positive way).
sorry to disagree there.Vasconia wrote:On the other hand I read that the recent changes brought some improvements which already began in the last races of 2016´s season. At least its true that the car looked better in the last races.Fer.Fan wrote:http://en.f1i.com/news/83795-erasing-ga ... rrari.html
Ferrari admitting problems with aero and chassis. Let`s hope they can improve for 2017.
Not at all true. I'm the first to bemoan the mistakes they make and their lack of ability to capitalise on situations from which they should have derived advantage (increased emphasis on engine performance, relationship with Haas etc.).GPR-A wrote:The problem of putting posts in Ferrari team thread is, YOU ARE EITHER WITH FERRARI OR AGAINST IT! No matter how one puts it, whether in eloquent way or in a brute way, the reality is that there are problems with Ferrari that hasn't gone away in the last decade.Gerhardsa wrote:Think you are missing the point.f1316 wrote:Dear God, will it ever end?! You don't like Ferrari - we get it!
The posts doesn't say anywhere, I think Ferrari is s!@#t, I don't like them bla bla bla. (maybe he doesn't, but the posts I read doesn't say that directly)
We all in some way have a connection, respect and liking towards Ferrari.
Its more it think out of frustration, that people post the "ah, here we go again. I don't expect much from them" posts.
The thing that makes people (and me as well) so mad about the modern day Scuderia is that they seem not to be able to stop hitting their heads like donkeys against the same tree, or learn from mistakes, on and off the track.
Not much has changed at Ferrari in the last 2-3 years, and 10 years since the dream team left the pitwall. Since then its all been this "only Italian culture and values" thing . The last couple of years, they are just "moving furniture around on the Titanic" by making hits guy from Marking the F1 Team principle, promoting that guy from aero to Chief Aero, moving this one to that role etc. The ship is still sinking.
They really do need better,fresh blood, new ideas, out the box thinking to get back in that tech department. The same with the team management culture.
Me, I would have made Flav Briatore Team principle 2 years ago and told him to do everything and anything he thinks will get the team back on track. But Ferrari being Ferrari.....
Explain insanity:---- "Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results."
And I love this team, but they suck ass
Explain insanity:---- "Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results."
This is the truth and my posts are no different. Being a Ferrari supporter doesn't mean that their mediocrity is way of life and we continue cheering them.
mika vs michael wrote:Shouldn't be Ferrari going after Paddy Lowe instead of Williams?