NSX or M3?

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Would you rather have a 1991 Honda NSX or a 2002 BMW M3?

BMW E46 M3
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38%
Honda NSX
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63%
 
Total votes: 48

West
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I'd get the NSX... looks more exotic, probably is more reliable (as it is a Honda, although I have heard stories of weekly tune-ups), and handles better. The NSX is kinda like a Porsche - a supercar you can use everyday. I'd also choose it because SoCal is the capital of Germany and there are way too many Mercs and BMWs down here - in the hands of spoiled brats (i.e. wannabe racers). There are too many retards down here that think owning a 325 makes you fast and rich.

M3 does mention a caveat on the NSX tho - they pretty much designed the car in 1991 and left it as-is till 2005, save for MINOR aero, engine, and interior tweaks. However, I bought my sportscar (not a NSX) with nothing in the interior, because interiors get old after u drive the car for a month. And I like saying I drive a two-seater. But at the time, the NSX was extraordinary, and in some respects today still is.

Ted, you're lucky to have owned a newer 928. Our family "only" had a 1984 928... that was a sick car. My dad wants to buy another one bad but like you said they are very rare here, especially a 90's model.

Edit: GTO, Ayrton Senna was at the center of development of the NSX
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and a limited edition 'Zanardi' model was made with help from the Honda powered CART champion of '97 and '98
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Ciro Pabón wrote:NSX or what? Is that a trick question? Do you realize who tuned the chassis of the NSX?
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jddh1
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I'd take the BMW with these two choices...

However, I would love a Nissan Skyline.

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pRo
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m3_lover wrote:The BMW M3 is the way to go. The only issue I had was a recall for engine connecting rods... I guess alot of engines blew and they had to change the design. The only other thing that sucks is you might get errors that light up on the dashboard and it has to be always rebooted from the car dealership which is not covered under warranty ($$$). The only negative about the NSX is that the interior is basically 1990 and they have never changed it.
Wait. Were you trying to say M3 is better? Cause it sounded like the opposite. :lol:

West wrote:NSX - they pretty much designed the car in 1991 and left it as-is till 2005, save for MINOR aero, engine, and interior tweaks.
Yes, it was THAT good in early 90's. And it still is, assuming you're not buying a beaten up car. It's hard to change it for the better. 8)
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Here are some reviews, including a forum of NSX owners that is very positive and has about 100 posts.

http://philip.greenspun.com/materialism/cars/nsx.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acura_NSX

Massively praising the NSX as a supercar that can be driven to the supermarket, not involved in the horsepower race but concerned with the character of what distinquishes an exotic sportscar experience - handling. Some great opinions I concur, and add that the NSX, Porsche 928 are 2 of the most underrated, and underpriced exotics, I would add the Lotus Esprit, especially the turbo version and something a little outside - the Citreon SM - buy the NSX soon - when the expert opinions of our forum sweep across the web - prices on all these cars will skyrocket. The BMW M3 is cetainly wonderful - but it does not embrace the imagination, passion, enthusiasm and versitility among the opinion makers of the world - our forum. But of course, we will politely support any choice you make :wink:

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Ciro Pabón
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I've seen only one NSX in my life. The engine was dismantled at Honda's dealer in Bogotá. All mechanics were gathered around it: the titanium (ehem... did you say something about rods, M3?) connecting rods have been compensated by the most ingenious crankshaft you can imagine. We said something in this forum, in some thread, about how this kind of rods can bend easily a less resistant steel crankshaft.

I can hardly describe the emotion you feel when you see how most "typical" failures you expect from a car have been handled. Everybody (dealer mechanichs, for heaven's sake!) around that car felt something that cannot be described to someone that wasn't there, or by someone that doesn't understand how we appreciate cars that last, down here, in my country. Cars are a big investment for any "brownie" like us, if you get my message.

I came to my house, after seeing it, to try to learn something about this car. I was amazed, astounded, thrilled, moved, and I'm no car-man: I use cars, they don't use me. I'm happy with any car, from a Trabant to a bulldozer, I've driven things that would shame the poors in Calcutta ;). I don't care what others think about what I drive, I only think on how the car would feel if it was alive. I treat cars the way I treat horses, believe me. All I care is that they are "happy"... :oops:

All cars should be constructed like it. You can only appreciate it when dismantled. Starting by the eternal aluminium body, btw. The way this car stows the detachable roof speaks volumes about how they put ingenuity to work. You should see how the transmission works and how is handled by the driver, man.

Of course, a BMW is "la créme de la créme" for a sporty European car. If I had to pick one, well, I'd pick both.

But an NSX is a work of ... no, not art. It's a work of love. It represents the kind of things you expect from a master of its trade. It has what a Toyota has and a GM hasn't: durability AND a certain humility german cars lack.

Many things are not made to sell the car: you have the impression they are made because somebody have thought about cars for its entire life and finally got a chance to express himself. Only someone who has given the same amount of time to ponder how a thing should be made will understand what Honda, Bobby Rahal and Ayrton Senna (Rahal put his grain of sand, check the "american", for me, automatic transmission) put into it. And it's the most bold statement a car company can make: it's not like the Ferraris I've seen. The guy that designed this car did not give a damn about recognition. Nobody has copied it: it represents too much work (and perhaps too little gain for the company, I imagine). This work speaks by itself, but in whispers and only to those that can hear it: poet engineers.
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jddh1
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quite inspirational words Carlos. :wink:

Carlos
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Thank you. I would have to say that Ciro's words express " the post of the day." Good visiting with you both.

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m3_lover
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Ciro Pabón wrote:I've seen only one NSX in my life. The engine was dismantled at Honda's dealer in Bogotá. All mechanics were gathered around it: the titanium (ehem... did you say something about rods, M3?) connecting rods have been compensated by the most ingenious crankshaft you can imagine. We said something in this forum, in some thread, about how this kind of rods can bend easily a less resistant steel crankshaft.
No no just saying on my M3 that the connecting rods had to be fixed as well as new software installed because alot of M3 engines were blowing up.. my bad if everybody thought it was abuot the NSX
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Ciro Pabón
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Sorry, M3, I did not try to imply that you did say that the NSX had rod problems, I understood that you, with all candor, were pointing to the few flaws you can find in a BMW.

I know perfectly that a BMW is a "take your hat off, gentlemen" car and that probably you know about them more than anyone here, but I was just pointing that the titanium rods were superior in the NSX, poking at you a little. :) For its time, titanium rods were advanced thinking.

And man, this NSX engine is really nice. Honda knows about engines, I think we all agree on that, they showed that to the F1 world many years ago. Besides, I've seen Accord and Civic engines, nice ones, but this one beats them. It was a V6 when people was discovering V6's, as a compromise between power and durability. Yes, I know V6 were "invented" in 1950, but not until 1960 were they produced for passenger cars, and not until mid 80's did the japanese used it.

I've seen bodies and chassises, but I've never seen an aluminium suspension, BTW, other than in this car. Also, I've never seen other VTEC engine "opened".

I believe they must have something for this car in Japan: it has been (or it was) the safety car for years at Suzuka.
Ciro

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Look on pistonheads.com, great number of people with far too expensive cars :lol: Some them I think could help you as there are a few who have owned an NSx and probaply have driven a BMW.

By the way do look into Lotus' and especially TVRs they're great value for the handling and performance you get!

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NSX any day, it has more of a supercar look and will turn more heads. When it came out in the States it was so ahead of it's time it is hard to believe this video is over 10 yrs old!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAwJsOECGBU

RH1300S
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Fantastic post Ciro - you have it sorted ;)

The Honda is a labour of love - a company doing it because they could. It was the best they could possibly do - that should bring real joy of ownership.

The only other vehicle like that I can think of straight off is.......another Honda (funny that :)) - the RC30

Anyone here ever worked on a Honda? Everything is just so......hard to describe, but beautifully made.

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joseff
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RH1300S wrote:Anyone here ever worked on a Honda? Everything is just so......hard to describe, but beautifully made.
I've mucked around a couple of honda interiors to install audio systems. I have to disagree with your observation, sorry.

And I still drive a Honda, but only until I can afford a 997 :D