Merry Christmas

[Carlos]

Belatti - One must remember that Nietzsche was himself the recipient of charity. During the last 11 years of his life he succumbed to mental illness, his friends gathered financial resources for his humane care, an act of charity. His friends had all read his philosophy,but they choose to help him, rather than see him confined to the hell of a state run madhouse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche

[Belatti]

Nietzsche had to accept charity because he was weak then. Well, old and mad, too. So charity is for the weak. Please, read my post again. I quoted "I would help the ones that cant get it, not the ones that can but are too lazy to."
The thing is here, a 3rd world country, there are a lot of "fake weaks" that would ask for charity when they dont deserve it. They are lazy non-educated thieves, they prefer not to work so someone will give they something. Here you have to be careful who you help because you might be throwing away your little goodness left. You cant go out for a walk at night because 10 drunks will be hunting you for a coin so they can buy a drink or a dope. Here Police barely exists.

Regarding Nietzsche, he was against antisemitism, the twisting Nazis made with his books is another sad story that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Please MC stop talking about Nazis, we all know how bad they smell so leave them buried.

If I found myself in such situation, Manchild, (Earthquake, fire, car wreck, disease), and wouldn´t take precautions (sign of weakness), I would admit my weakness and (ashamed) would ask for charity. I just dont like being helped out but I admit sometimes it has to happen. We all are weak, at least sometime. Would I let my child die if I for example had no money for some expensive surgery than accept sum raised by some charity organization? No, but after that I would make those pathetic Doctors regret of earning USD 100.000 for a surgery. You can´t charge that to the ones who hasn´t got it when a life is in the middle.

[manchild]

If I found myself in such situation, Manchild, (Earthquake, fire, car wreck, disease), and wouldn´t take precautions (sign of weakness), I would admit my weakness and (ashamed) would ask for charity.

Nietzsche applied his philosophy on real life not on theory. It was the way he explained what he saw around him and that was soulless. He wasn't old, he was 47 when he became ill - unwillingly. That's 6 years less than what Luigi Fagioli had when he won his first F1 GP. He considered himself an ubermensch before life proved him wrong. That why his philosophy is not just incomplete but also inapplicable since it lack universality.

Precaution from vulcano? It erupts where it never existed and burns your town, what's the precaution for that, being constantly paranoid that anything can happen anytime and live in DEFCON 1 24/7 without sleep and any other activity? Same goes for fire that was started by someone else. Car wreck - you drive new expensive ultra safe and due to manufacturing error steering joint breaks and you crash, what could you do as an precaution? Disease, genetically inherited diseases - what precaution can you do?

I think that you're overlooking unwilling exposure to situations when person gets in need for help (what you define as weak).

As for doctors you mentioned. Good brain surgeon makes how much in US, a million per year? Even better brain surgeon in some third world country makes 5000$ per year and is "in need" since that's not enough money to provide family decently. So he was a good kid, studied, became respected professional and he is "weak" relative to US surgeon based on what he missed to do? Be born in a different country and predict how the future will look 20 years after he was born? Put that same "strong" US surgeon in the shoes of previously mentioned one and he becomes "weak" instantly and vice versa.

That's the essence. If some is really, essentially "weak" than he is "weak" everywhere, anytime and that isn't the case due to unwilling situations people find themselves in. Were all those thousands of victims of 9/11 attack "weak" because they didn't take "a precaution"? What would that require, everyone having their personal intelligence agency and air defense system?

[Belatti]

No, as you and me said, we are all weak and there is nothing we can do. If a Vulcano explodes, kabooomm, you are out! So we don´t need an intelligence agency to back up us.

Just to admit that life is a contract that expires at any moment for any reason and be prepared for that, accept it and your weakness will be gone. Even if you or your likes die you will be prepared because it is normal.

The really really weak is the one that dont admit it and goes desperate because there are horrible things going on that he can´t prevent. Well, world is horrible sometimes, but beautiful and wondreful some others. Live with that!