FIA and FOTA reach agreement, no parallel series

[timbo]

I'd wait for the full statement. In recent weeks statements from Max were not any reliable source of info.

[jddh1]

Based on what little we have seen so far, IMO FOTA has lost. Max and Bernie win.

Getting Max to promise not to run for re-election is worth nothing, given Max's track record.

Even if Max does leave, will he pulls the string from off stage? More important, Bernie remains, and he was always far more powerful than Max.

We will continue to see F1 races scattered all over the world, based only on how much money Bernie can make. We can expect Bernie to try to collect more from race organizers and pay less to the teams -- after all, they don't need as much, because their budgets will be reduced.

At this point, FOTA is the loser.

If you recall, a certain Frenchman quit a very important Ferrari job earlier this year. Perhaps that certain Frenchman will run and win the FIA position now available. If he wins it, Max will not pull anything other than more secret sex romps.
And yes, Bernie does remain. But don't forget that it would be absolutely difficult to get rid of them both, cleanly and with no lawsuits to worry about. This might happen after the 2012 season when everyone will be free of the FOM agreements.

In addition, let's not forget that Max is driven by the need of power (thus the sex romps putting him down -- kinda like reverse psychology or something.) Bernie, on the other hand, is driven by money. He will do whatever earns him more money and that is a fundamental difference. Is it worse? Perhaps. But he also now knows that he can't mess with Luca and Flavio.

[Shaddock]

I'll wait to see the full story - but what’s the betting that the FOTA threat will stand till Max has gone.

Also if the split has gone, i assume that cosworth have to get there engine down to 18000 rpm, and how long till Williams put out a statement saying they will be using it?

Williams will try to stay with Toyota engines for the same reasons they jumped ship a couple of years ago.

[stl0]

On another website I read that the teams "want to get back to 90's levels of spending."

I was more optimistic when I thought they wanted to get back to 90's levels of innovation. I do hope the teams have more in store than just getting rid of Max and keeping the 2009 regulations. And even at that, as donskar and timbo point out, Max has promised not to run for reelection before. And as nice as it is that the 2009 regs mixed up the pecking order, let's not forget that it hasn't exactly resulted in anything terribly interesting from either a racing or technical angle.

I'm sure I'm not alone here, but most of the appeal of F1 for me has always been the technology and ingenuity of the teams building the cars. I can see good racing in a lot of series. Even GP2 produces some good races, but F1 has always been about more than Nascar style fan-worship and merely good racing between drivers. Great racing has always been about more than drivers. I for one can name more LeMans winning cars than drivers. It's also why the Race of Champions is not held up as the ultimate achievement in motorsport.

I'm sure the manufacturers wouldn't agree to Max's Cosworth engine monopoly, but I believe that more latitude in the regulations allows for competitive and meaningful innovation at lower costs. The technical "arms race" is part of F1's history, it's just that a highly restrictive formula focuses huge efforts for miniscule returns, thus big returns cost huge amounts of money. With the FOTA series I guess I was hopeful for looser regulations, but I think I was just being hopeful in general.

Another season like this one without the novelty of Brawn and Red Bull dominating holds little interest for me. For my money, let a team gain a bigger advantage by being clever than they would by spending money. If they can gain a second a lap with a better active suspension or something they won't bother trying to gain a few thousandths by running two wind tunnels 24/7. Their time would be better spent on the big gains that require more thought than money.

In the meantime I'm trying to prepare myself for next season by getting interested in sports prototypes. If you watch with the sound turned down you can pretend that the diesels sound like race cars.

[monkeyboy1976]

FIA statement:-

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pr ... 40609.aspx

Now we wait for a similar statement from FOTA agreeing to all that to seal the deal.

[persovik]

If you recall, a certain Frenchman quit a very important Ferrari job earlier this year. Perhaps that certain Frenchman will run and win the FIA position now available. If he wins it, Max will not pull anything other than more secret sex romps.

Todt is the obvious choice, but I'm afraid we'll end up with someone endorsed by Max.

[woohoo]

I am so disappointed. Now we are back with status quo.

Max is still at the helm, and the teams did not get anything out of it.
Jut that he will resign.
And so what ?

[bjpower]

well the F1 teams clearly don't give a dam about there fans!!!
screw em.

[The FOZ]

FIA statement:-

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pr ... 40609.aspx

Now we wait for a similar statement from FOTA agreeing to all that to seal the deal.

There are a lot of "TBA" in the engine department.

Looks like the customer teams are waiting to see exactly what happens with the cosworths, before deciding whether or not to back to McL, Renault, or Ferrari.

[The FOZ]

If you recall, a certain Frenchman quit a very important Ferrari job earlier this year. Perhaps that certain Frenchman will run and win the FIA position now available. If he wins it, Max will not pull anything other than more secret sex romps.

Todt is the obvious choice, but I'm afraid we'll end up with someone endorsed by Max.

If Moseley stepping down is only going to make way for that tw@t Donnelly to take over the reigns, we're all screwed in a huge way.

Here's hoping Todt steps up in October!

[xpensive]

If the FIA document of June 24 is all there is to it, I'm dissappointed beyond comprehension. Needless to say.

[DaveKillens]

If they can gain a second a lap with a better active suspension or something they won't bother trying to gain a few thousandths by running two wind tunnels 24/7. Their time would be better spent on the big gains that require more thought than money.

I could not agree more.

I read the FIA press release, and I have to say it's a one-sided statement by Max. There is so much spin on it, it puts a gyroscope to shame.

There will be no alternative series or championship and the rules for 2010 onwards will be the 2009 regulations as well as further regulations agreed prior to 29 April 2009.

What specific regulations agreed prior to 29 April? The ones Max wants to ram down the throats of the unwilling teams?

As part of this agreement, the teams will, within two years, reduce the costs of competing in the championship to the level of the early 1990s.

Exactly what level is that? What McLaren spent in 1990 or what Coloni spent? And most of the engines used in 1990 were Ford or Judd.

In view of this new agreement and with the prospect of a stable future for Formula One, FIA President Max Mosley has confirmed his decision not to stand for re-election in October this year.

Face it, Max is being forced out, he just wants to exit as gracefully as possible.

It will take a little longer for the real truth to leak out, just right now all we have is Max's statement to go on. Take it with a grain of salt.

[rahulsampath]

=D> =D> =D> As per autosport.com ,The Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) will officially call off its plans for a rival championship tomorrow after reaching a breakthrough deal with the FIA.The deal between the FIA and FOTA was confirmed on Wednesday afternoon, when the FIA announced that its planned budget cap for 2010 had been scrapped, and instead FOTA-proposed cost-cutting regulations will be introduced.The manufacturer teams have agreed to assist the new entries for 2010 by providing technical assistance.

[jddh1]

from the FIA press release:

All teams will adhere to an upgraded version of the governance provisions of the 1998 Concorde Agreement.

Teams used to get more money from that agreement, didn't they? Now, the statement above includes the word "upgraded". I wonder what they "upgraded"? More money, or possibly less?

[natef1]

from the FIA press release:

All teams will adhere to an upgraded version of the governance provisions of the 1998 Concorde Agreement.

Teams used to get more money from that agreement, didn't they? Now, the statement above includes the word "upgraded". I wonder what they "upgraded"? More money, or possibly less?

I'd guess more.

Like others have said. I would find it surprising if this is everything to come out of the meeting. And FOTA have one tomorrow? Or have they called that off now?

Either way, in the words of Kimi, let's wait and see.