Doping in F1

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tadzio89 wrote:What about Red Bull team and Nescafe drinks(McLaren). Do they match to prohibition?
I read somewhere that coffeine is useless for drivers because of timespan of it's action and that what is badged as energy-drinks is actually fructose syrup.

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Does anyone else but me remember Sandro Nannini and his for anyone else probably lethal diet of heavy-duty espresso and red Marlboros, wonder how WADA would consider that today?
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roost89 wrote:
tadzio89 wrote:I read that WATA(World Anti-Doping Agency) is going to ban caffeine usage by drivers in 2010. What about Red Bull team and Nescafe drinks(McLaren). Do they match to prohibition?
Can you get us some links?
I had a look on their website and I saw nothing.

It sounds a bit dubious to me though. Banning Caffeine, that means they won't be allowed a cup of tea, coffee, energy drinks, sports gels etc for over a weekend.
no I can't. it was in polish f1racing.

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I don't think Caffeine would be too useful because it is a diuretic. The dehydration caused by the caffeine would likely outweigh any potential benefit in alertness.

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xpensive wrote:Does anyone else but me remember Sandro Nannini and his for anyone else probably lethal diet of heavy-duty espresso and red Marlboros, wonder how WADA would consider that today?
Actually, I believe Sandro started taking it serious by 1989.

Many articles I remember reading after his helicopter accident claimed he had even quit smoking by then and was a becoming a lot more professional about his health. Since this period coincides with him becoming a race winner and having a truly great 1990 season, after being seen as a somehow talented, but mainly very well-funded driver, I don't see how whatever he took earlier in his carreer could be considered doping. :lol:

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Right, I guess those Minardi years with that home-made turbo-V6 didn't xactly inspire him to take things all too serious.
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We had a thread (including a poll) about mind-enhancing drugs and driving.

Most of the people here (a reassuring 74%) don't do drugs. The other 26% is definitely crazy, as you can quickly notice simply by reading the posts around yours.

A 5% of "F1technicals" uses Ritalin or other attention-disorder drugs (I started the thread because I thought they are a different kind of drugs that can actually enhance your driving, if only for a while, before they throw you into the asylum).

Another 5% follows Bob Marley and uses marijuana or other "conventional" drugs, definitely for the fun (I suppose) as they won't help you much to take that curve (but they will make it seem beautiful, dude).

Finally, an astonishing 11% don't know how to drive (they are Hamilton fans), so they don't have an opinion on drug use.

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I mentioned WADA at that thread. I thought I did not see caffeine among the list of drugs, but you can check the thread, where there is a link that will lead you to The List of Forbidden Substances.

I assume that the list will mention caffeine if it is forbidden (I imagine that a dozen cigarretes of caffeine can do awful things to your nervous central system).

If caffeine is in the list, I guess it would be a kick in the bollocks for Red Bull, I guess. Or perhaps people will buy it if it's forbidden, a sizable percentage of the population is crazy (as I said before)

Did I mention that colombian coffe is the best in the world?

I smell a new bussiness in the air. I think the slogan could be: "Stop and smell the (now forbidden! strongest! directly from Colombia!) coffee." If you're interested in tasting that forbidden substance, give me a call. I even have a plant of coffee in my garden (wink, wink).
Ciro

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Ciro, I don't think the poll in that thread is a very good sample size! :D

How hard is it to grow coffee? I imagine it wouldn't survive an English winter..
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Ciro Pabón wrote:A 5% of "F1technicals" uses Ritalin or other attention-disorder drugs (I started the thread because I thought they are a different kind of drugs that can actually enhance your driving, if only for a while, before they throw you into the asylum).
My high school driver's ed teacher made very sure to mention to us that although speed and its derivatives (ritalin, adderall, etc) appear to improve your driving, you'll eventually crash...and then maybe crash again.

And if you can't wait until the race is over to get blazed, you've got a real problem, bro.
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I've heard that WADA will increase the testing in f1. apparently the drivers have to be available every day for tests. anyone know anything about it?

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If I heared correctly (on TMS) the Indian cricket authorities are resistant to this new set of rules for security reasons - they certainly sound a little extreme to me.

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I know a certain Sim Racing junkie that has PROOF that his driving improves the more Marijuana he smokes.

Serious as a heart attack, I have seen him in person under both conditions, and he is right. While stoned, he can carry on a full conversation about something completely unrelated, and his "auto-pilot" takes over, and it is incredible to watch.

I know it is just Sim Racing, but hey, it is the only time I have seen a direct comparison with my own eyes!

zac510
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Plenty of people crash without the aid of drugs too :)
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Conceptual wrote:I know a certain Sim Racing junkie that has PROOF that his driving improves the more Marijuana he smokes.
There are quite a few guys that race rather successfully online with marijuana though, it surprised me. As far as an overall improvement in the driving though, I think that is quite rare. However if there's no one to injure or no money to be lost, why not experiment? Sim racing is perfect for studying this topic.

Any attempts by myself to sim race with caffiene are usually not very good ones, my driving seems to become less consistant and a bit more sloppy. I think it affects your ability to concentrate pretty noticeably, whether that's in a good or bad way depends on the person. If you crash and become excessively tired from it, that's certainly not very helpful.

From the experience I have in sim racing I believe there is no faster way to drive than to drive sober, for 98% of the guys out there. Considering any of the drugs mentioned in this topic as "performance enhancing" seems like a waste of time to me. Of course if you're about to fall asleep caffiene or similar drugs would improve your driving, but if you're that tired there's no way you're going to be as competitive as if you were awake and sober anyway. Just some thoughts on the subject since I am very interested in how your mind works when driving a race car.

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I often drink a lot of green tea before sim-racing. I think that helps me maintain the concentration during endurance races (2-3 hours w/o driver changes) even though I'm not really fit.