Possible solutions to improve the 2026 Engine Regulations

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Ongoing negotiations between Fia and Team/Motorists to change the distribution

75% Endothermic Motor

25% Electrical part

For 2027

Potentially you could reach a 65% - 35% agreement.

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Badger wrote:
25 Apr 2026, 13:56
Ongoing negotiations between Fia and Team/Motorists to change the distribution

75% Endothermic Motor

25% Electrical part

For 2027

Potentially you could reach a 65% - 35% agreement.
It is right now 75:25

What rubbish are they discussing

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FW17 wrote:
25 Apr 2026, 15:16
It is right now 75:25

What rubbish are they discussing
What are you talking about? It's not 75:25.

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Badger wrote:
25 Apr 2026, 13:56
Ongoing negotiations between Fia and Team/Motorists to change the distribution

75% Endothermic Motor

25% Electrical part

For 2027

Potentially you could reach a 65% - 35% agreement.
The race is confirming that a move away from 50/50 is under review though they're hinting more at 65/35 for quali and 60/40 for the race with a 650hp ICE. Seems that Mercedes might be on board with this move but against going further. Better imho but still a half step - unfortunately F1 is likely to want consensus among the manufacturers even though the other 4 could force it through in a vote and override any Mercedes opposition. To avoid a massive drop off in performance upon battery depletion and to eke out enough full MGUK deployment time, 75/25 would be ideal. Its still mildly positive that no matter how much Stefano Domenciali does his best Bagdad Bob impression on the current rules, the changes happening behind the scenes for 27 and also the next engine rules in 2030/31 show that F1 has realized these engines were a bad decision thats led to a poor product on track and on tv.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/the- ... e-changes/

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gearboxtrouble wrote:
25 Apr 2026, 16:20
The race is confirming that a move away from 50/50 is under review though they're hinting more at 65/35 for quali and 60/40 for the race with a 650hp ICE. Seems that Mercedes might be on board with this move but against going further. Better imho but still a half step - unfortunately F1 is likely to want consensus among the manufacturers even though the other 4 could force it through in a vote and override any Mercedes opposition. To avoid a massive drop off in performance upon battery depletion and to eke out enough full MGUK deployment time, 75/25 would be ideal. Its still mildly positive that no matter how much Stefano Domenciali does his best Bagdad Bob impression on the current rules, the changes happening behind the scenes for 27 and also the next engine rules in 2030/31 show that F1 has realized these engines were a bad decision thats led to a poor product on track and on tv.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/the- ... e-changes/
What I see being proposed in the article is 450 kW ICE with 300 kW MGU-K, which is a half measure IMO. I think a 500 kW ICE with a 250 kW MGU-K is probably the optimal balance where you will start to see a lot of these compromises going away whilst you can still get some yo-yo racing from the 33% electrification. At that stage you could even start considering getting rid of SLM, or reducing its use.

If they genuinely fix these engines they could last for many years and it simply won't be a big topic of conversation anymore. Audi and Honda have already stated that their participation is not contingent on "50/50" and never was, only Mercedes seems to be insisting on this. The rulemakers already pandered to them when they authored this regulation set, I sincerely hope they don't pander to them again with a half measure now that it has proven to be flawed.

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Badger wrote:
25 Apr 2026, 17:21
I think a 500 kW ICE with a 250 kW MGU-K is probably the optimal balance where you will start to see a lot of these compromises going away whilst you can still get some yo-yo racing from the 33% electrification.
If they want these hybrid PU's to stay, I'd say they have to change to even 550/200; that's 100hp in electrical more than the last decade.
I think anything lower than 550 will not change the fundamental issue of starvation, and will end the acceptance of these hybrids with an outcry for V8's on sus.fuel.
Audi and Honda have already stated that their participation is not contingent on "50/50" and never was, only Mercedes seems to be insisting on this. The rulemakers already pandered to them when they authored this regulation set, I sincerely hope they don't pander to them again with a half measure now that it has proven to be flawed.
I really think the real world numbers on viewers and attendence (probably only next year available) will be so shocking, even Toto will understand that.
Don't think Domenicali will be in his chair 12 months from now ..
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But Death Race 2026 will continue soon in Miami. FIA practically didn't do anything to prevent 60kmh speed differences.

Let's hope nobody dies at MIami because a ShitHead FIA.

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Boycott...

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Of what??
Watching on TV?
Not buying race tickets?
Any engagement at all?

How many people would do all three?
How many would need to for it to be noticed?
Perspective - Understanding that sometimes the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.

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I think the main problem isn’t peak power, it’s how the power is used.

Too much reliance on fixed electric deployment zones just feels artificial. F1 should be about drivers managing energy, not following pre-set rules on where they can push.

If the ICE becomes too weak, we’ll just see more lift & coast and clipping again. But increasing fuel flow isn’t a clean solution either, it creates other issues with weight and packaging.

Also, people are focusing a lot on the PU, but tyres are still a huge limitation. Even with more power, drivers won’t push if degradation is the same.

Right now it feels like the 2026 regs are trying to please too many things at once. Not sure it’ll translate into better racing.

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Badger wrote:
25 Apr 2026, 15:52
FW17 wrote:
25 Apr 2026, 15:16
It is right now 75:25

What rubbish are they discussing
What are you talking about? It's not 75:25.
You are right it is 78 : 22

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De Wet wrote:
26 Apr 2026, 14:57
Boycott...
Why? The racing is good and I don't really notice the superclipping that much.
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Stu wrote:
27 Apr 2026, 08:29
Of what??
Watching on TV?
Not buying race tickets?
Any engagement at all?

How many people would do all three?
How many would need to for it to be noticed?

All of the above. :D

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WardenOfTheNorth wrote:
27 Apr 2026, 17:23
De Wet wrote:
26 Apr 2026, 14:57
Boycott...
Why? The racing is good and I don't really notice the superclipping that much.

Can it be called racing if 80% is controlled by computers ?

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De Wet wrote:
28 Apr 2026, 11:52
WardenOfTheNorth wrote:
27 Apr 2026, 17:23
De Wet wrote:
26 Apr 2026, 14:57
Boycott...
Why? The racing is good and I don't really notice the superclipping that much.

Can it be called racing if 80% is controlled by computers ?
The Race said something interesting on their latest podcast, I think it was Mark Hughes. Something to the effect of 'once you learn that the overtakes you see are simply two computer algorithms fighting each other, how impressive is it really?'.