2026 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka, March 27 - 29

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RonMexico wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 10:52
Unfortunately the only way to protest this ruleset is to not engage with it.

Liberty are only interested in engagement and profit.
Which won't happen, so we are stuck with this pile of garbage for the foreseeable. What we need is for all the drivers to complain and make a stand, but those who are competitive just won't.

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search wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 10:56
Waz wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 10:46
I guess Verstappen knocked out in Q2 is the regulations, and not him just putting in a poor performance as a whole by not finding the right set up.
in China he was 0.1s ahead of Hadjar, here 0.1s behind, so yeah, looks like this is his normal (quali) level at the moment. Maybe adapting his driving style would help, but this would likely take time.
Max can adapt his driving style. At the moment, the deployment system is nulifying drivers that drive on the edge of grip and rewarding drivers that are not. Just look at Charles and Lewis's statements about deployment in this qualy.

Max needs to not drive fast to go fast in these regs and at the moment, he is finding that hard to do.

If Max and Hadjar had the same upgrades this race, I would say Hadjar did a better job but they didn't and the new upgrades seemed to have made the car more unstable so I will wait for the next race that they have similar updates to review who is doing better.

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Waz wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 10:46
What exactly was impossible to watch? It wasn't nail biting, but Leclerc at least added some uncertainty to it.

I guess Verstappen knocked out in Q2 is the regulations, and not him just putting in a poor performance as a whole by not finding the right set up.

Mercedes deployment is the main advantage they have over McLaren for now. That won't last all season, and Ferrari are already nearly there too.
How slow they are, how they attack corners, the straights, any onboard is just depressing. It is just not exciting to me. Maybe it can be to others. Qualifying used to be like getting the maximum out of your car, now its about getting the maximum out of your battery. Drivers have to underdrive, cars are not at their grip level. I feels like they are driving with a handbrake on.

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LeQuick wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 11:03
RonMexico wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 10:52
Unfortunately the only way to protest this ruleset is to not engage with it.

Liberty are only interested in engagement and profit.
Which won't happen, so we are stuck with this pile of garbage for the foreseeable. What we need is for all the drivers to complain and make a stand, but those who are competitive just won't.
If the yoyo racing goes away, and there is a chance that will happen. The fanbase will drop quickly, and under that kind of pressure, with the amounts of money involved, things can change very quickly. If for some reason the yoyo racing catches on, than its done for the fans who like the other definition of racing .

purestpurist
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Max is running experimental setups and sacrificing his own performance to help the team. Getting outqualified in this way demonstrates his commitment and even his character, and when his teammate lucks into a race win later this year and Red Bull improves from p4 to p3 in the constructors standings next year, Max will deserve all the credit, for none of it would have been possible if he had not so generously run experimental setups

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purestpurist wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 12:00
Max is running experimental setups and sacrificing his own performance to help the team. Getting outqualified in this way demonstrates his commitment and even his character, and when his teammate lucks into a race win later this year and Red Bull improves from p4 to p3 in the constructors standings next year, Max will deserve all the credit, for none of it would have been possible if he had not so generously run experimental setups
Didn't we hear this somewhere before? :lol:

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purestpurist wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 12:00
Max is running experimental setups and sacrificing his own performance to help the team. Getting outqualified in this way demonstrates his commitment and even his character, and when his teammate lucks into a race win later this year and Red Bull improves from p4 to p3 in the constructors standings next year, Max will deserve all the credit, for none of it would have been possible if he had not so generously run experimental setups
This is the LH fans' theme song from 2022-2024.
Max was running some 'updates/fixes' and a ludicrous front wing flap (some +7 or so) that made entry understeer from Friday into entry oversteer and was snapping the rear in the high speed esses and spoon. When he says it was 'undrivable', I think it indeed was. The RB22 has fundamental mechanical flaws (suspension/driver position w.r.t wheelbase) is my read. Lack of aero load/balance and overweight chassis are the 'extras'.

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Btw, got to know how much David Croft understands the regs. At the beginning of Q, he was telling Button "they have reduced the battery charge to 8MJ for quali, the extra 0.5MJ would have made the car too heavy" , to which Button said something (don't remember exactly) as if he was agreeing to it.

Sky is pathetic. The commentators don't understand the 'bottom basics' about the formula and are just using a word salad with random use of terms like 'recharge/deploy/clipping' etc ; seemingly not even having made an attempt to ask someone to explain what MJ means, what KW means etc. If anyone has contacts in Sky, please forward this message or the clip from telecast, to the bosses in charge of 'content'. Pathetic is the only word to describe Croft.

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Waz wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 10:46
What exactly was impossible to watch? It wasn't nail biting, but Leclerc at least added some uncertainty to it.

I guess Verstappen knocked out in Q2 is the regulations, and not him just putting in a poor performance as a whole by not finding the right set up.

Mercedes deployment is the main advantage they have over McLaren for now. That won't last all season, and Ferrari are already nearly there too.
So much is getting decided by whether a driver's deployment works properly or not. Russell also just seemed to have another car problem that neither he nor the team seem to be able to do anything about or understand. The cars slowing on straights makes the cars look slow, no matter what the laptimes say in the end(since top speeds and acceleration are largely not visible).

Like I said before, there ARE still things to follow and reasons to watch, but my god it really is farcical how bad these regulations are.

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purestpurist wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 12:00
Max is running experimental setups and sacrificing his own performance to help the team. Getting outqualified in this way demonstrates his commitment and even his character, and when his teammate lucks into a race win later this year and Red Bull improves from p4 to p3 in the constructors standings next year, Max will deserve all the credit, for none of it would have been possible if he had not so generously run experimental setups
Hamilton fans were clowned for years for statements like this. Will the same standards apply now?

TimW
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The problem with these regulations is that it does not pay anymore to drive on the limit. Driving corners on the limit scrubs too much speed and wastes energy. There is a risk that soon the car control of the driver will not be a factor in the performance anymore.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... anagement/
And no one knows exactly how the automatic control of energy flows behaves.

"Funnily enough, this causes me to lose time in the straights every time in Q3. I get faster in the corners, but slower in the straights It's so frustrating because you never get a whole lap together. You always have to weigh things up and find compromises", says Leclerc, describing the helpless feeling in the cockpit.

Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff knows the phenomenon. At Mercedes, the engineers artificially slow down their drivers: "We told Kimi to drive the first lap for safety. In the second one he really pushed. And then it wasn't so good anymore." In the end, Antonelli's first half-throttle attempt was enough for pole position in Suzuka.
To me the solution is to ban any direct ICE to MGUK regeneration. It does not make sense from a sustainability point of view anyway. You are better off allowing to burn that fuel for more ICE power during acceleration phases and not have the efficiency losses of mguk and battery.

But positive for me is the youngsters doing well!

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DDopey wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 11:34
If the yoyo racing goes away, and there is a chance that will happen. The fanbase will drop quickly, and under that kind of pressure, with the amounts of money involved, things can change very quickly. If for some reason the yoyo racing catches on, than its done for the fans who like the other definition of racing .
Fans of racing have to face the music. Our time is up. Pandering to untapped markets is the only way to make more money for F1's owners. New viewers don't have any concept of why super clipping, lico, and any other monkey business has no place in a qualifying lap. They have no concept of the DNA of motorsport, or that there are any issues with what is on the screen.

It's for the same reason why video games like Mario Kart outsell realism based simulators. It's not about right or wrong. There is no right or wrong. It's about being able to cultivate a different and potentially larger audience by changing the format.
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Sergej
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lol they had to cut the onboard on the back straight

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Sergej wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 14:59
lol they had to cut the onboard on the back straight
So funny the moment when they switch away from the onboard camera :D

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TimW wrote:
28 Mar 2026, 14:45

To me the solution is to ban any direct ICE to MGUK regeneration. It does not make sense from a sustainability point of view anyway.
It would not help at all. It would just create even more lift and coast.