2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[diffuser]

0 performance differences compared to previous weekends (the gaps don't matter much, they change based on the track, strategy, etc.) with Alonso fighting against Piastri and the two Mercedes. The objective should be to beat Ferrari, but evidently I have a different mentality. In any case, great race from Alonso, I hope they bring some updates that work.

They consolidated the teams they finished ahead of in Quali, with the exception of Leclerc. Russell and Hamilton tried to make the same one long stint, like LeClerc, work for them and couldn't.

To AMR's credit, they were always running at plan + laps. This tells you they had some pace in hand. It was never Alonso saying, tires are finished, lets pit. It was the opposite. Tires are good we can go longer. How much more pace is anyone's guess.

[diffuser]

Oh yeah don’t get me wrong. The car is still 5th best in terms of race pace.

Mike krack wasn’t calling these upgrades a “package”. Probably had them in the windtunnel before pre season testing. Guess we’ll have to wait for imola like most other teams

I think they've over taken Merc in pace but it's close. Clearly faster in quali trim. More of a challenge in race trim but Merc have to overcome their quali deficit in the race and that isn't easy.

[Otromundo]

0 performance differences compared to previous weekends (the gaps don't matter much, they change based on the track, strategy, etc.) with Alonso fighting against Piastri and the two Mercedes. The objective should be to beat Ferrari, but evidently I have a different mentality. In any case, great race from Alonso, I hope they bring some updates that work.

They consolidated the teams they finished ahead of in Quali, with the exception of Leclerc. Russell and Hamilton tried to make the same one long stint, like LeClerc, work for them and couldn't.

To AMR's credit, they were always running at plan + laps. This tells you they had some pace in hand. It was never Alonso saying, tires are finished, lets pit. It was the opposite. Tires are good we can go longer. How much more pace is anyone's guess.

Agree 100%

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

0 performance differences compared to previous weekends (the gaps don't matter much, they change based on the track, strategy, etc.) with Alonso fighting against Piastri and the two Mercedes. The objective should be to beat Ferrari, but evidently I have a different mentality. In any case, great race from Alonso, I hope they bring some updates that work.

They consolidated the teams they finished ahead of in Quali, with the exception of Leclerc. Russell and Hamilton tried to make the same one long stint, like LeClerc, work for them and couldn't.

To AMR's credit, they were always running at plan + laps. This tells you they had some pace in hand. It was never Alonso saying, tires are finished, lets pit. It was the opposite. Tires are good we can go longer. How much more pace is anyone's guess.

Agree 100%

Alonso last lap show much left in the tyres...

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[krich]

Long time reader and now registered! hi everyone!

It looks like the tire degradation issue has been resolved. The first and second stints on the soft and medium tires were competitive. However, Aston still needs to find four tenths to match Ferrari's pace (Red Bull is simply out of reach under these regulations).

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

Long time reader and now registered! hi everyone!

It looks like the tire degradation issue has been resolved. The first and second stints on the soft and medium tires were competitive. However, Aston still needs to find four tenths to match Ferrari's pace (Red Bull is simply out of reach under these regulations).

Is not simple as it is! Obviously Aston didn't went or couldn't go so fast as McLaren(Norris),Ferrari or Redbull.

[Xyz22]

Long time reader and now registered! hi everyone!

It looks like the tire degradation issue has been resolved. The first and second stints on the soft and medium tires were competitive. However, Aston still needs to find four tenths to match Ferrari's pace (Red Bull is simply out of reach under these regulations).

They are now using the same approach as Ferrari drivers used last year, that is carefully managing the pace through the race.
The upgrades probably helped a bit as well.

[Joseki]

China will be a good test if dry (or at least it would have been if not for the Sprint weekend).

The track is very hard on the tyres and the long straight will make managing the pace and holding position almost impossible.
It should be a proper test on tyre wear.

[diffuser]

Long time reader and now registered! hi everyone!

It looks like the tire degradation issue has been resolved. The first and second stints on the soft and medium tires were competitive. However, Aston still needs to find four tenths to match Ferrari's pace (Red Bull is simply out of reach under these regulations).

They are now using the same approach as Ferrari drivers used last year, that is carefully managing the pace through the race.
The upgrades probably helped a bit as well.

Everybody does that.

[Xyz22]

Long time reader and now registered! hi everyone!

It looks like the tire degradation issue has been resolved. The first and second stints on the soft and medium tires were competitive. However, Aston still needs to find four tenths to match Ferrari's pace (Red Bull is simply out of reach under these regulations).

They are now using the same approach as Ferrari drivers used last year, that is carefully managing the pace through the race.
The upgrades probably helped a bit as well.

Everybody does that.

I know. Now that they know more about the limitations of the car they can manage it better to avoid extremely high deg. That is what i meant.

[diffuser]

They are now using the same approach as Ferrari drivers used last year, that is carefully managing the pace through the race.
The upgrades probably helped a bit as well.

Everybody does that.

I know. Now that they know more about the limitations of the car they can manage it better to avoid extremely high deg. That is what i meant.

I'm not convinced they had the new upgrades dialed in. They lost half of FP1,FP2 was rained out. So they had FP3 to dial in the upgrades, which was at colder temps than the race, and they didn't have the overnight to perform a deep analysis of the data gathered. They now have the race data and 2 weeks to prep for China.

[AR3-GP]

I'm not convinced they had the new upgrades dialed in. They lost half of FP1,FP2 was rained out. So they had FP3 to dial in the upgrades, which was at colder temps than the race, and they didn't have the overnight to perform a deep analysis of the data gathered. They now have the race data and 2 weeks to prep for China.

Check this interview from Alonso. It's suspicious (start at 35 seconds):



Baretto asked him what he thought about the upgrades.

Alonso says "It is difficult to compare from track to track but I guess we have a lot of data now after the whole weekend. We will analyze everything".

Why does he say it's difficult to compare from track to track when he drove the old car in FP1 and the new car in FP3. Same track. He didn't really give a straight answer so he's clearly not telling something.

I find it strange that after an upgrade package of this extent that, they would still forecast P9 and P10. There is definetely some fine tuning and analysis required here to extract the performance because I don't feel that they achieved that this weekend considering the size of the upgrade package. I expected a 3-4 tenths boost. .

[peewon]

I'm not convinced they had the new upgrades dialed in. They lost half of FP1,FP2 was rained out. So they had FP3 to dial in the upgrades, which was at colder temps than the race, and they didn't have the overnight to perform a deep analysis of the data gathered. They now have the race data and 2 weeks to prep for China.

Check this interview from Alonso. It's suspicious (start at 35 seconds):



Baretto asked him what he thought about the upgrades.

Alonso says "It is difficult to compare from track to track but I guess we have a lot of data now after the whole weekend. We will analyze everything".

Why does he say it's difficult to compare from track to track when he drove the old car in FP1 and the new car in FP3. Same track. He didn't really give a straight answer so he's clearly not telling something.

I find it strange that after an upgrade package of this extent that, they would still forecast P9 and P10. There is definetely some fine tuning and analysis required here to extract the performance because I don't feel that they achieved that this weekend considering the size of the upgrade package. I expected a 3-4 tenths boost. .

No they themselves said about 2 tenths. They might have learnt from last year to keep the expectations grounded a bit. Also, they're a distant 4th on pace and close to 5th still. So without knowing Mercedes deg issues, P9/10 is a reasonable prediction

[Skywalker12]

Compared with 2023 Japanese GP, AM have improved 1.7s in quali, the most of any team. I think that is a good result for development done over the winter.

[Alonso_fin]

Compared with 2023 Japanese GP, AM have improved 1.7s in quali, the most of any team. I think that is a good result for development done over the winter.

Most tend to forget that last years Japanese GP was in late September, considering that and the unsuccesful upgrades of last season the jump over the winter in performance is huge.

I feel like the team didn't have enough time to dial in the new upgrades, because they only had a session and a half to gather data, the track was much colder and Stroll clearly didn't have a great time dialing in the new parts.

The upgrades still had a positive impact on tyre degredation - let's hope that they can find a tenth atleast with the gathered data for the Chinese GP!