2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[maygun]

spanish news source says Newey has not and will not work on the AMR25.

https://www.relevo.com/formula1/adrian- ... 17-nt.html

It's the same flawed chassis design as last year with a new body on it. Why would Newey want to waste his time trying to put lipstick on a pig? Plus, with the addition of expanding departments to design a new gearbox and rear suspension from scratch, the team is going to need room in the budget to develop these items for 2026.

Only 20 more races of suffering everyone. If you're an Alonso fan, you should be used to him driving junk.

I mean, probably %80 of the same engineers would work in the new car, if they do not why they designed a bad car, probably they will design a bad car again. While 2026 is a new project, working on the 2025 car a bit to figure out what/where went wrong might be crucial for 2026 car.

[SSJ4]

Would be weird considering cowell and alonso both said he would sprinkle some of his magic on the 2025 aston.
Don't think i could handle watching the rest of the season with the car trundling around the back and neither would potential sponsors

[Rikrikrik]

What is the chances about Verstappen comes to AM next year? im thinking about 2027 and i personally see Max arrived on Aston in 2027 and if Alpine will be decent with the "misterious other planet engine" from Mercedes, Alonso could go to Alpine with briatore for 2027 or retire definetely after next year. I know is too earlie to speculate that, but, if Max leaves RB its logical he goes to AM. For 2025, that car is 100% Dan Fallows project, nothing new to see, its better forget everything and use the entire season to master the new factory, simulator, wind tunnel and focus 100% in next year. But, again, they will introduce upgrades in Imola again, those upgrades NEEDS to improve that car, doesnt matter how much, but needs to improve this time.

[AR3-GP]

I don't understand the discussion here. Why should Newey work on 2025? Historically speaking, it is very rewarding to get the first year of regulations set correct (engines and chassis). 2025 means nothing to a team like Aston Martin and no one will remember it if they do well in 2026. Even the top teams (Ferrari, Mercedes) have said that they will abandon 2025 if they are not fighting for the championship in 2025. Ferrari did that in 2021. So why would Aston even bother after the failure of the launch car?

If I ran the team, 2025 would be completely sacrificed.

[diffuser]

spanish news source says Newey has not and will not work on the AMR25.

https://www.relevo.com/formula1/adrian- ... 17-nt.html

It's the same flawed chassis design as last year with a new body on it. Why would Newey want to waste his time trying to put lipstick on a pig? Plus, with the addition of expanding departments to design a new gearbox and rear suspension from scratch, the team is going to need room in the budget to develop these items for 2026.

Only 20 more races of suffering everyone. If you're an Alonso fan, you should be used to him driving junk.

I mean, probably %80 of the same engineers would work in the new car, if they do not why they designed a bad car, probably they will design a bad car again. While 2026 is a new project, working on the 2025 car a bit to figure out what/where went wrong might be crucial for 2026 car.

Pretty sure you have design teams and manufacturing teams. You might be able to put 80% of the design people on the 2026 car but if the designers are designing, what are the manufacturers gonna manufacture? Probably working with models right now. Probably don't need to start manufacturering AMR26 stuff till September or October, aside from the main hub.

[zoroastar]

Personally I don't feel like saying anything. Dan Fallows said enough for me.

this is one of those chicken or egg things. we dont really know what transpired, or what happens every week in the factory. im sure fallows wasnt being treated badly at the begining of 23. i imagine it started happening as more and more updates came in and didnt work. idk if fallows ever had to deal with failure like he did when he became TD at aston because he had been at redbull for many years under newey. the bottom line is f1 is a performance driven sport and im not sure any team with the budget of aston, and the obvious trajectory that they are trying to go on would deal with that many failures to produce results. its not all fallows fault, and there are definitely different management styles around the grid, but at this point its water under the bridge. im sure fallows will go do well at some other team eventually. but hes gonna always tell his point of view with the objective to get another job sooner rather than later.

[zoroastar]

Would be weird considering cowell and alonso both said he would sprinkle some of his magic on the 2025 aston.
Don't think i could handle watching the rest of the season with the car trundling around the back and neither would potential sponsors

i remember alonso saying that he probably wont have time to work on the 25 car haha.

i suspect that if newey thinks that helping with the 25 car in a limited way will help the process in 26, then he will. but if it wont, then he wont. it also wouldnt take an excessive amount of time to throw some hints at what areas will help the 25 car if its worth it. supposedly he loves bouncing ideas off of other people and vice versa. if some of the guys happen to get ideas that way then so be it. i hope they can bring a good update without newey helping personally

[collindsilva]

Why is AMR depending on AN for 2025 car, they have all the latest tool to analysis and pinpoint the issues, We do not expect miracles on 2025 car, however a competitive car fighting in upper midfield level for 5th position shouldn't be hard..

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

Why is AMR depending on AN for 2025 car, they have all the latest tool to analysis and pinpoint the issues, We do not expect miracles on 2025 car, however a competitive car fighting in upper midfield level for 5th position shouldn't be hard..

Because in f1 no miracle, only you can get faster and better by pogress if the developments works, your correlation spot on and/or if you found an innovation. Unfortunately the innovation also just give boost for the first year,like Brawn GP ,blow diffuser, flexible wings etcetera. How many big regulation changes had in the past? How many times the Williams, sauber,Minaardi or junior teams made wdc cars? That's why!

[collindsilva]

Why is AMR depending on AN for 2025 car, they have all the latest tool to analysis and pinpoint the issues, We do not expect miracles on 2025 car, however a competitive car fighting in upper midfield level for 5th position shouldn't be hard..

Because in f1 no miracle, only you can get faster and better by pogress if the developments works, your correlation spot on and/or if you found an innovation. Unfortunately the innovation also just give boost for the first year,like Brawn GP ,blow diffuser, flexible wings etcetera. How many big regulation changes had in the past? How many times the Williams, sauber,Minaardi or junior teams made wdc cars? That's why!

i was referring to AMR25..

[diffuser]

Why is AMR depending on AN for 2025 car, they have all the latest tool to analysis and pinpoint the issues, We do not expect miracles on 2025 car, however a competitive car fighting in upper midfield level for 5th position shouldn't be hard..

I would think it's cause they have a pretty good floor over at RBR and I'm sure Newey could brain dump that to make a copy of that. We should be challenging for # 5, or more as, soon as that floor shows up.

[Farnborough]

Why is AMR depending on AN for 2025 car, they have all the latest tool to analysis and pinpoint the issues, We do not expect miracles on 2025 car, however a competitive car fighting in upper midfield level for 5th position shouldn't be hard..

It's what is put through that process that makes the difference, not the process that defines the origin of concept.

They can literally put anything through the "process" in systems they've created, it'll just tell them the status of that design. Good, bad or indifferent if it's working correctly.

The thought nucleus is where it comes from. Anyone you can think of ? could there be someone any good at this

[Seanspeed]

It's the same flawed chassis design as last year with a new body on it. Why would Newey want to waste his time trying to put lipstick on a pig?

Well there's definitely the potential to limit the damage. I actually did expect Newey would take a bit of a role in the current car to help 'course correct' the engineering team in general, and also provide race weekend feedback to optimize running.

But it seems AM is happy to throw this year away in favor of letting Newey put 100% of his effort on next year. Perhaps understandable, but I also think there's something to the idea of creating a 'winning culture'. A culture of confidence and belief. Momentum.

Maybe they aren't aiming for #1 right away in 2026, though. Maybe they just want to start that build of confidence then with a better foundation. I'm sure Newey himself would not have accepted the job if he felt the role he'd be playing wouldn't be best for the team as a whole.

[AR3-GP]

Why is AMR depending on AN for 2025 car, they have all the latest tool to analysis and pinpoint the issues, We do not expect miracles on 2025 car, however a competitive car fighting in upper midfield level for 5th position shouldn't be hard..

It's what is put through that process that makes the difference, not the process that defines the origin of concept.

They can literally put anything through the "process" in systems they've created, it'll just tell them the status of that design. Good, bad or indifferent if it's working correctly.

The thought nucleus is where it comes from. Anyone you can think of ? could there be someone any good at this

+1. The engineers at most of the teams are “worker bees”. Send them down bad tunnels and you will get a bad car. Adrian Newey doesn’t design every little thing on the car. He simply sends the worker bees down the best tunnels (but is also capable of investigating and developing 1 or 2 specific design innovations that make a difference). 2026 Aston will have no inertia from the 2025 product. 2026 will simply answer whether Adrian had good ideas or not, just as every other team. Adrian will establish project objectives like weight distribution, cooling architecture and power, aero efficiency, floor overall concept, grey areas, and then those underneath will follow those tunnels. That is why someone like Adrian can be transformative, so long as he is able to intervene at the concept initiation.

Aston Martin also have a windtunnel allocation advantage which means they will be able to study more concepts than other teams, especially if they continue to languish in the 2025 WCC.

[TyreSlip]

It's the same flawed chassis design as last year with a new body on it. Why would Newey want to waste his time trying to put lipstick on a pig?

Well there's definitely the potential to limit the damage. I actually did expect Newey would take a bit of a role in the current car to help 'course correct' the engineering team in general, and also provide race weekend feedback to optimize running.

But it seems AM is happy to throw this year away in favor of letting Newey put 100% of his effort on next year. Perhaps understandable, but I also think there's something to the idea of creating a 'winning culture'. A culture of confidence and belief. Momentum.

Maybe they aren't aiming for #1 right away in 2026, though. Maybe they just want to start that build of confidence then with a better foundation. I'm sure Newey himself would not have accepted the job if he felt the role he'd be playing wouldn't be best for the team as a whole.

If Aston Martin changed car concepts, I could maybe see Newey taking a look at this car and giving feedback as there would be potential for growth. Perhaps this car has already reached its ceiling and the flaws could not be fixed without exhausting the budget cap?