Silly Season 2013/14

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SectorOne wrote:
slimfitcasual wrote:
SectorOne wrote:He´s more then then ready for the big league imo. He´s even proved it and he´s been so close to grab points for Williams this year on a number of occasions.
Yes but...
http://i.imgur.com/vxWfPB6.gif
If you can find those for his other three 11th places i´d be happy to look at them.
Not exactly 11th place but this things still happen to often to him

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRbW8MoJmxk[/youtube]

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ringo wrote:
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ringo wrote:Trying to make maldonado look like a crap driver is pretty difficult. As much as we don't like his personality; he is in fact a better driver than jaime, Bottas, and whoever is down in the doldrums looking for a race seat. Di Resta is a prima dona, kid is ok, but he's not good. 5 retirements in 6 races aint good.
No it's not. Try 30 minutes of Maldonado-Youtube'in and you'll have about +10 videos about his skills. Don't get me wrong, the guy isn't slow at all, but he's nowhere near the level of guys like Vettel, Hamilton in terms of consistent speed, or Raikkonen & Alonso in terms of good racecraft.

Not to mention the amount of points he threw away last year. He's lucky to have gotten the win, because otherwise Senna would've outscored and outraced him with quite the margin.

And about di Resta, he made some stupid mistakes, but he makes top drives as well. And from those 5 retirements, there's one because of a contact with... Maldonado. What a coincidence.
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xDama wrote:Not to mention the amount of points he threw away last year. He's lucky to have gotten the win, because otherwise Senna would've outscored and outraced him with quite the margin.
On the flipside Senna is lucky to have scored points here and there otherwise he would have been completely dominated.

Average finishing position is 11 for both guys. Qualiyfing Maldonado put the kind of beating that Vettel has put on Webber this year with an average of half a second.
Average qualifying position is 10 for Maldonado and 14 for Senna.
Senna managed to get 68% of the points Maldonado managed during the season.

Even with a rather turbulent year for Maldonado he still comfortably destroyed Senna in nearly every area.
Imagine what a rather sanitized year would do..
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As far as Force India and Di Resta´s problems. Sutil explained everything.

The new tires caused problems for them because they tried to run with the same sort of setups they ran with the old tires which ment the car was extremely hard to control.
During the period of Di Resta´s no point streak (Silverstone-Japan) Sutil managed to grab a whooping 3 points.
So even if Sutil stayed on the black stuff there was for the most part no points to be taken because the car was too slow.
(and incredibly difficult to drive)
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ringo wrote:
ScottB wrote:
ringo wrote:Maldonado is a good enough driver. I don't think there are really any bad drivers in F1.

What i can say though, is that Maldonado has the sport in his hands. His move will determine where the pieces fall.

Alguashari is nowhere near Maldonado in terms of talent. We need to remember that Pastor is a race winner, on merrit.
He's also pretty good on street circuits and qualifying. Alguashari hasn't done anythin in my point of view to justify that he's better than Pastor, and i couldn't care less about personality or appearance. Pastor is maybe not likable or as media friendly but his speed can be put to use.

Hulk will get the Lotus seat hopefully; he deserves it. Pastor would work nicely in Di Resta's seat. Di Resta needs to leave the sport, he's a prima dona who thinks he's too good to be in mid pack car. While at the same time he can't get any decent results. He's always blaming the team as well so i don't think he's good to have around in the long run. Pastor would be a nice addition to the team.
Di Resta is a prima dona and Maldonado isn't? I must be watching a different series to you!
Maldonado is a race winner in a car that hasn't won in years. You all seem to be skirting around that fact. He is within his right to want a top car.
Trying to make maldonado look like a crap driver is pretty difficult. As much as we don't like his personality; he is in fact a better driver than jaime, Bottas, and whoever is down in the doldrums looking for a race seat. Di Resta is a prima dona, kid is ok, but he's not good. 5 retirements in 6 races aint good.
1 swallow doesn't make a summer. Nor does 1 win equate to a right to a top car.

In his 3 seasons in F1, he's retired 17 times, and had 7 points finishes. With a number of controversial and petulant / downright dangerous actions in there.

Di Resta has, in 3 seasons, retired 8 times, and had 26 point finishes.

Bit of a clear pattern there, but whatever... Based on that, I don't understand the conclusion that Pastor deserves a top drive, but Di Resta is a prima donna for wanting the same.

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ScottB wrote: 1 swallow doesn't make a summer. Nor does 1 win equate to a right to a top car.

In his 3 seasons in F1, he's retired 17 times, and had 7 points finishes. With a number of controversial and petulant / downright dangerous actions in there.

Di Resta has, in 3 seasons, retired 8 times, and had 26 point finishes.

Bit of a clear pattern there, but whatever... Based on that, I don't understand the conclusion that Pastor deserves a top drive, but Di Resta is a prima donna for wanting the same.
Di Resta is a prima donna because of the way he acts and not the results he brings in.

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xDama wrote:
No it's not. Try 30 minutes of Maldonado-Youtube'in and you'll have about +10 videos about his skills. Don't get me wrong, the guy isn't slow at all, but he's nowhere near the level of guys like Vettel, Hamilton in terms of consistent speed, or Raikkonen & Alonso in terms of good racecraft.

Not to mention the amount of points he threw away last year. He's lucky to have gotten the win, because otherwise Senna would've outscored and outraced him with quite the margin.

And about di Resta, he made some stupid mistakes, but he makes top drives as well. And from those 5 retirements, there's one because of a contact with... Maldonado. What a coincidence.
Well i'm not comparing him to top drivers like Vettel. I'm comparing him to the small fries like Jaime and Bottas and Paul.
As for speed it's hard to argue Pastor doesn't have it. Maldanodo's weakness is his ego; and i feel that's what gets him into those on track tangles. Otherwise his pace is pretty good over a race distance; for what he has to drive.
Paul is ok, the FI car in early 2013 actually flattered him a bit, but he's just average at everything. Average pace, average skills, boring to watch and listen to, and average money. Yet he feels he's Budha's gift to force India. You can hear the conceitedness in how he criticizes his own team. I'd rather take a trouble prone race winner, Monaco ace, who's wallet can ballast up an F1 car.
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Rumors that Perez might not be safe are resurfacing. Magnusson tiped to take his spot but i dont care anymore i just want Sergio or Mag to be presented already im tired of McLaren this season. Its so sad.

Williams and Force India and Lotus are the interesting ones.
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ScottB wrote: 1 swallow doesn't make a summer. Nor does 1 win equate to a right to a top car.

In his 3 seasons in F1, he's retired 17 times, and had 7 points finishes. With a number of controversial and petulant / downright dangerous actions in there.

Di Resta has, in 3 seasons, retired 8 times, and had 26 point finishes.

Bit of a clear pattern there, but whatever... Based on that, I don't understand the conclusion that Pastor deserves a top drive, but Di Resta is a prima donna for wanting the same.
Pointless comparo. They drive different cars.

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Latest rumor is Kimi will drive for Sauber in USA.
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SectorOne wrote:Latest rumor is Kimi will drive for Sauber in USA.
Does that rumor also tell that Bearnie will replace Kimi in the Lotus? Because then i would believe it.

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Holm86 wrote:
SectorOne wrote:Latest rumor is Kimi will drive for Sauber in USA.
Does that rumor also tell that Bearnie will replace Kimi in the Lotus? Because then i would believe it.
I don´t think you should believe any rumor because they are just rumors.
Still fun to see what the media can come up with.
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The Beeb putting some oil on the McLaren fire...

F1: Kevin Magnussen may replace Sergio Perez at McLaren
Andrew Benson wrote: McLaren are considering replacing Sergio Perez with novice Dane Kevin Magnussen as Jenson Button's team-mate next season.

A series of unconvincing displays by Perez in his first year with the team have raised questions about whether he is up to the level demanded by McLaren.

McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh described the Mexican's performance in Abu Dhabi on Sunday as "disappointing".
Some in McLaren believe Button is pushing for Perez to stay on because he knows he can handle him, and therefore it strengthens his chances of staying in 2015.
Button has out-qualified Perez in nine of this year's 17 races and McLaren believe that the Englishman is not among the fastest drivers in F1, who are recognised to be world champion Sebastian Vettel, Alonso and Mercedes driver Lewis Hamilton. They consider Button to be at the top of the next category of drivers, but the best of the field in mixed conditions.
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Last quote seems like a pretty realistic evaluation. Last year there was some huge gaps between Hamilton and Button, like Austin, Hamilton nearly pole and Button down in 12th! In Q2 Hamilton was a second faster then Button.

I think if i was in Mclaren i´d naturally question just how bad the car really is and if a guy like Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso just might not even have snatched a podium with the car during the year.

Regarding Perez, well he finished in the position he started the race and beat Button (who probably got compromized with the front wing damage)
But India was good, 5th place finish and Button lapped, not sure if he had problems.
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SectorOne wrote:Last quote seems like a pretty realistic evaluation. Last year there was some huge gaps between Hamilton and Button, like Austin, Hamilton nearly pole and Button down in 12th! In Q2 Hamilton was a second faster then Button.
Button had a problem with his engine.