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[Wouter]

Looking forward to seeing what the team has cooked up in Silverstone. 6 wins in a row is excellent considering Ferrari have had a very good car and some of their best tracks in this period. Good fortune balances out the early season.

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According to Wazari on this forum, who has contacts with people at Milton Keynes, they'll bring a "major chassis and ERS upgrade"

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Yes, but this won't be at Silverstone but after the summer break.
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There will be a significant upgrade to the ERS system after summer break and that along with a major chassis upgrade about the same time should bode well for RBR in the second half of the season.

[SirBastianVettel]

The RB18 also has a good deal of anti-dive in the front suspension kinematics

I apologise if I accidentally start WW3, but is the general consensus on F1T now that the RB18 has an anti-dive front suspension or is this still a hotly debated subject?

[AR3-GP]

Monaghan said the car will have some bits and bobs for Silverstone, Austria, and Hungary.

[Edax]

It was obviously designed this way and the others were not. Not RBR's fault, why should they suffer.
OTOH, the other cars can not continue to run this way.

They won't suffer? This new TD will mean nothing to them.

They will in that the other teams will become more competitive and this will cost them points

I think the story of Toto is quite clear and I believe him (which is strange in itself).

Merc and others went for low clearance since this on paper was the fastest way. But it has proven to be undrivable. RB went the other way and went for higher clearance, negating the penalties in their overall concept. So the TD will force the other teams in RB’s direction, but it is not like they didn’t figure it out themselves. They would have gone there anyway.

The bigger question is Ferrari, since they seem have found an operating point that works for them at low clearance. They now would have to abandon that and rethink their overall design.

I think RB would be fine with a ruling that would force every other team to spend money except themselves.

[Sieper]

RB would be fine with no ruling at all. The rules for this new formulas are there and as they have proven you can build a car that operates within these confines and performs well totally fine.

What you are now saying is the teams that made it work should spent more money as we will now go and make work the concept of teams that could not (yet) strike a balance.

Why, where is the sense in that. It is 180 degrees against what should be done. Which is get with the program. The rules are there already.

[PlatinumZealot]

This car is now a dominant car.
Six wins in a row. Ferrari is quick but very unreliable. So RedBull has a ni e cushion to close half of the season. Their aero developnent time will be reduced from being first in constructors but the way they have been going it wont affect them much.

[Sieper]

Ferrari is right up there. You know this.

A dominant car is 1,5 secs up on any other team regularly in a year.

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This car is now a dominant car.
Six wins in a row. Ferrari is quick but very unreliable. So RedBull has a ni e cushion to close half of the season. Their aero developnent time will be reduced from being first in constructors but the way they have been going it wont affect them much.

Ferrari were slightly quicker than RB at Canada.. I wouldn't say the rb18 is dominant at all, just capitalised on opportunities & Ferrari have thrown away points. F1-75 and RB18 are close in pace coming into Silverstone.

Rb18 quicker: Imola, Baku, Miami
About equal: Saudi, Bahrain
F1-75 advantage: Monaco, Spain, Canada, Australia

Hardly "dominant" in any sense of the word. Points total makes it look dominant, but points don't just come from the car - drivers, pitcrew, strategy all play their part. Using the win tallies to analyse the car performance.. well that's just rudimentary

Even taking dnfs into account, the rb18 has suffered 4 mech DNFs which is similar to ferrari's total there too. Another area where the performance is roughly equal

[Kingshark]

Ferrari was the best car in Bahrain, Australia, and Monaco. Likewise Spain and Canada are debatable. That’s half the races so far this year (4 or 5 out of 9). Red Bull is nowhere near dominant. That word should be reserved for Mercedes 2014-2016 and 2020.

Red Bull have a car that is equal or perhaps slightly superior to their nearest rival. They are so convincing in the championship because they are simply relentless at maximizing everything, along with employing the benchmark driver on the grid.

[ispano6]

Lotus 88 was banned for that concept you describe. The cars must be sprung from their wheelbase.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_88

If RB did have such a thing, that would be grounds for protest and immediate disqualification.

Folks in the Mercedes thread making comments that the Red Bull car possibly has illegal mechanisms.
On what grounds could a protest be made? How would a rival team be able to provide evidence or how would the FIA?
The FIA should have already scrutinized the RB18 by now, no?

[ringo]

RB18 is the best race car. I have been saying this from the start of the season.
No point in ferrari's car being able to only win if its on pole. A team literally cuts its chances in half when it must execute absolutely perfectly to stay ahead. Having a car that can race and overtakes gives more strategic and tactical flexibility and thats what the redbull has.
It's not dominant, but it's the best car on a Sunday with the highest chances of winning a race. The Ferrari is quick but unreliable and slow in a straight line. Those key points makes it the least favoured to put up a consistent season.

[carisi2k]

They won't suffer? This new TD will mean nothing to them.

They will in that the other teams will become more competitive and this will cost them points

How will it make the others more competitive when raising the ride height will reduce the performance of the other cars. What it will do is move Mercedes and maybe some other teams further away from Red Bull as they can't get the performance at the ride height that Red Bull can.

[carisi2k]

Ferrari were slightly quicker than RB at Canada.. I wouldn't say the rb18 is dominant at all, just capitalised on opportunities & Ferrari have thrown away points. F1-75 and RB18 are close in pace coming into Silverstone.

Were Ferrari quicker? Carlos was putting pressure on Max at the end because he had fresher tyres. When they were even on tyres at the start Max was going away from Carlos.

[JordanMugen]

Merc and others went for low clearance since this on paper was the fastest way.

Because they have no common sense.

But it has proven to be undrivable. RB went the other way and went for higher clearance, negating the penalties in their overall concept.

It is a little shocking that teams like Aston Martin and Mercedes ever thought running the car slammed to the ground on rock-hard suspension would be viable in the first place!

How could they not think that "minmising the porpoising instability, while retaining the performance" (Pat Symonds) would be key to the regulations as Red Bull have demonstrated?

The Ferrari approach is interesting in that the car rides high (well it has a lot of suspension travel, even it compresses on the straights) on compliant suspension (the most compliant suspension on the grid?), but still has a slow rhythmic porpoising motion on straights which doesn't seem to affect performance.

[hkbruin]

You know that the RB18 is the superior car, otherwise Aston Martin would have cloned the W13 instead given they have the Merc engine strapped to the back of it. Toto must feel insulted that their own customer bff Stroll wouldn’t copycat their F-35/F-117 airplane.