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Lewis Hamilton has won the German Grand Prix at the Nürburgring after fighting a battle all through the race with second placed finished Fernando Alonso and third man on the podium, Mark Webber. Only in the final stint did Lewis manage to pull a small gap to his closest competitors.
I don't recall one where someone wasn't given room – Webber had a whole car's width inside the white lines, he just chose to not take the risk.Ray wrote:I really wish this trend of drivers pushing a rival they are racing off the track at corner exit would stop. It's extremely unprofessional. There were a few instances where drivers were literally side by side and the inside driver literally pushed the other one off track. That kind of behavior shouldn't be accepted.
That's one of the reasons why Red Bull needs to review their driver options for next year assuming the opposition is now going to be closer.ringo wrote:That's up to half of the race webber was faster by a margin lap for lap. And this is the second best RB driver vs the best Mac driver.
He was pushed wide into turn 1 by Massa, and then again into the wet grass by Lewis when they were scrapping after Lewis pitted. He gave Lewis miles of room when he drafted past on the straight earlier in the race and Lewis didn't give him room when he came out of the pits and Mark was legitimately dead alongside him going through turns 2 and 3.beelsebob wrote:I don't recall one where someone wasn't given room – Webber had a whole car's width inside the white lines, he just chose to not take the risk.Ray wrote:I really wish this trend of drivers pushing a rival they are racing off the track at corner exit would stop. It's extremely unprofessional. There were a few instances where drivers were literally side by side and the inside driver literally pushed the other one off track. That kind of behavior shouldn't be accepted.
That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people deliberately driving another person off track to defend a position. That's exactly what Lewis did to Mark after he exited the pits. There was more than enough room for the both of them but Lewis chose to give Mark no choice but to go off track even though he had the outside position easily and safely. Going for a gap is completely different that driving someone deep into turn 1 for the sole purpose of blocking them from making the corner, ala Massa on Webber. That to me is blocking and shouldn't be allowed. That's what happened to Heidfeld. Buemi ran him off track to avoid him getting alongside for a potential pass. That's bullshit.HampusA wrote:It´s racing. You tell the other guy that he should not sneak his nose in or even try to pass.
Great example is Hamilton vs Alonso (great pass due to Hamilton´s extra speed he carried)
compared to Hamilton vs Webber. He wasn´t close enough to claim a spot even though he got exactly a car width but chose to exit the track instead.
You know that the drivers normally take the line Hamilton pushed Webber on? The only difference now is that it was wet. What did Hamilton else had to do? Slow down? I thought this was the whole point of trying to avoid an overtaking manouvre, blocking the other from doing so. Hamilton did nothing wrong there and drove really fair.Ray wrote:I'm talking about people deliberately driving another person off track to defend a position. That's exactly what Lewis did to Mark after he exited the pits. There was more than enough room for the both of them but Lewis chose to give Mark no choice but to go off track even though he had the outside position easily and safely.
He was penalizedwesley123 wrote:You know that the drivers normally take the line Hamilton pushed Webber on? The only difference now is that it was wet. What did Hamilton else had to do? Slow down? I thought this was the whole point of trying to avoid an overtaking manouvre, blocking the other from doing so. Hamilton did nothing wrong there and drove really fair.Ray wrote:I'm talking about people deliberately driving another person off track to defend a position. That's exactly what Lewis did to Mark after he exited the pits. There was more than enough room for the both of them but Lewis chose to give Mark no choice but to go off track even though he had the outside position easily and safely.
But about the Heidfeld-Buemi incident, anyone knows why Buemi wasnt penalized or at least being investigated? Imo that was ridiculous, drivers get 90% out of the times they make contact a penalty for 'causing an avoidable collision' yet Buemi just pushes Heidfeld off track and that is okay? If I'm correct such action as Buemi did cost the life of an marshall in australia 2001. Simply ridiculous
He was penalised - 5 place drop for the next race. Possibly a little unfairly though, you could see on the replays that he was looking in his left mirror expecting Heidfeld to appear on the inside line. Heidfeld chose to go the other way and, in my opinion, a racing incident happened.wesley123 wrote:You know that the drivers normally take the line Hamilton pushed Webber on? The only difference now is that it was wet. What did Hamilton else had to do? Slow down? I thought this was the whole point of trying to avoid an overtaking manouvre, blocking the other from doing so. Hamilton did nothing wrong there and drove really fair.Ray wrote:I'm talking about people deliberately driving another person off track to defend a position. That's exactly what Lewis did to Mark after he exited the pits. There was more than enough room for the both of them but Lewis chose to give Mark no choice but to go off track even though he had the outside position easily and safely.
But about the Heidfeld-Buemi incident, anyone knows why Buemi wasnt penalized or at least being investigated? Imo that was ridiculous, drivers get 90% out of the times they make contact a penalty for 'causing an avoidable collision' yet Buemi just pushes Heidfeld off track and that is okay? If I'm correct such action as Buemi did cost the life of an marshall in australia 2001. Simply ridiculous
Jenson didn't slam him into the wall and said himself he couldn't see. The situations are completely different. Same with Massa in Monaco, Lewis wasn't completely alongside him like Webber was in Germany. In the Massa and Lewis situation Lewis was over halfway across a curb and then had to ride Massas side pod to make it around the corner. I consider that Massas fault however. In Silverstone however, Lewis drove into Massa and damaged his car gaining 4th place. I consider that Lewis' fault, but I'm not saying he's a dirty driver at all, he a fantastic racer.ringo wrote:Ray so what did you say when Jenson slammed Hamilton into the wall in canada?
Or when Maldonado and Massa didn't give any room, as well as Shumacher in Canada who moved twice then forced Hamilton off to the side.
It seems Hamilton is always in the wrong.
If you noticed, Hamilton did not touch Webber.
