2024 FIM MotoGP World Championship

[f1316]

Just like 2015, Marquez targets the Italian so another Spaniard can win the title. This time both brothers did it though

I really liked what happened in 2015 though. Rossi shouldn't have antagonized Marc the way he did in the middle part of the season and more specifically, in Malaysia. I thought Rossi losing was perfectly deserved. A more friendlier approach with Marc would have helped Rossi, but he was too full of himself to understand the damage Marc would cause. On the other hand, Pecco is a silly rider with so many mistakes all thorugh the season. Having the fastest bike and factory development, he is making so many mistakes and losing the title all by himself, no one to blame. If this year was painful for him, next year is going to be even more dreadful with Marc on the other bike.

(here we go again ). I don't understand how manipulating a sporting result on track can be compared to some words outside of the track. Marquez even made sure that Danny on the last race was not able to be ahead of Lorenzo if I remember correctly.

I hated what Marquez did to Rossi and I’m still annoyed about it fwiw!

That said, even as a big Pecco fan, I don’t necessarily see how Marquez did anything this time - especially since he’s going to Ducati and wouldn’t really want to mess that up before it’s started.

I think this is generally on Pecco for too many errors - it’s kinda a bit like a Kimi in 2005 situation (albeit that was more reliability related). I still think the guy who wins 3x the Grand Prix of his rivals “deserves” the title, but it is what it is an d I think these DNFs are an unfortunate part of Pecco’s overall game.

[AMG.Tzan]

Crazy that Pecco will have won 10 races - at least (to Martin’s 3) - and still not win the title. In fairness, it’ll also be the third year in a row that the title is in jeopardy right until the end because of so many crashes.

Just like 2015, Marquez targets the Italian so another Spaniard can win the title. This time both brothers did it though

Classic Italian nightmares…

Marc never helped Lorenzo before Rossi started throwing mud at him for no reason after Australia 2015! If he wanted to help he wouldn’t have passed him at the last corner of the last lap!

Same goes for Pecco! If Marc wanted to help Martin he wouldn’t have passed Martin at the end of the Australian GP!

Rossi has brought toxicity to this sport and even though he’s retired we still get this kind of comments about Marc every single race! Can’t be called a “legend” acting like a teenager…

P.S. Pedrosa said that after Aragon 2015 where he battled Rossi, Rossi then asked him after the race if he was supporting Lorenzo…

[f1316]

Well, I said it before but one fewer mistake from Pecco and he’s won the title and ultimately that’s on him.

BUT I also want to say that 11 wins to 3 AND more sprint wins means we know who the man still is in MotoGP. This is a bit like when Hayden won the title and that didn’t change the fact that Rossi was clearly the top rider - same thing here. Bagnaia has dominated Sundays more than we’ve seen in a long time.

I look forward to seeing the intra team rivalry with Marquez next year and if Pecco can win that one, 2024 will just go down as a blip.

[stephen]

A perfect podium for the finale. It was pleasant to see the new champion experience Marc and Pecco's highs. Martinator wins the season of mishaps.

[Andres125sx]

Well, I said it before but one fewer mistake from Pecco and he’s won the title and ultimately that’s on him.

BUT I also want to say that 11 wins to 3 AND more sprint wins means we know who the man still is in MotoGP. This is a bit like when Hayden won the title and that didn’t change the fact that Rossi was clearly the top rider - same thing here. Bagnaia has dominated Sundays more than we’ve seen in a long time.

I look forward to seeing the intra team rivalry with Marquez next year and if Pecco can win that one, 2024 will just go down as a blip.

Someone with 8 DNF will never be the top rider

Martin was the fastest rider, despite not enjoying the experience and top staff from the oficial Ducati Lenovo Team

Congratulations to both Martin, and Ducati Pramac team, they did an awesome job beating the works team. First time in MotoGP era, and first time sine 2001 than a satelite team win the title!

[Farnborough]

A good achievement for Martin, but in a year where nobody seemed to want the win, with that amount of non scores.

I don't think JM is the fastest rider, certainly not proven this championship, but poor performance by Bagnia in not staying on his bike consistently.

Satellite team capabilities is a bit of a misnomer in technical performance. With full factory bikes and total 7 Ducati works technicians within Pranac, its certainly no underdog. Effect is to be equal to any other factory team in equipment performance, no impediment from that angle.

With the changes for next year, we'll see more of rider capability to the fore.

[CMSMJ1]

A good achievement for Martin, but in a year where nobody seemed to want the win, with that amount of non scores.

I don't think JM is the fastest rider, certainly not proven this championship, but poor performance by Bagnia in not staying on his bike consistently.

Satellite team capabilities is a bit of a misnomer in technical performance. With full factory bikes and total 7 Ducati works technicians within Pranac, its certainly no underdog. Effect is to be equal to any other factory team in equipment performance, no impediment from that angle.

With the changes for next year, we'll see more of rider capability to the fore.

ref JM being fastest - I think he learned from last year and toned it down from 100% to 99% and this stopped his falling off so much. Pecco has the long race pace to spare and of course, had he not dropped the bike too much he would have won again - he is a very understated talent.

I reckon MM93 is going to be awesome next year...looking forwards to the Tuesday testing to see how that shakes out!

[Vanja #66]

Title deciding crashes - first the one that handed Martin early season lead and a huge gap, second the one that put a stop to Bagnia's 8 consecutive podiums and 6 wins between them





Trailing behind such a consistent point-scorer is a psychological curse, no matter if you are the better rider. The best recent example was 2012 when Stoner crashed in US and missed 3 races afterwards.

[Farnborough]

We have of course recently had Mir as champion, almost without any win to his championship year. This as demonstration of measuring out his key attributes to exquisite effect.

I do do like to watch riders like Doohan (wondering how his son will perform next year ) Marquez, and riders of that "poking a Lion with a stick" approach to riding these potent bikes. Bastiannini too.
Rossi, capable of risky " fast & furious" approach, but with good method in tempering that to accumulate points.

Hopefully KTM and Aprillia will get something of a step change with their new riders (Ducati experience and method of value) for next season.

The Japanese factories, I feel, are going to need a little more time to really get back into the zone.

[cheeRS]

Title deciding crashes - first the one that handed Martin early season lead and a huge gap, second the one that put a stop to Bagnia's 8 consecutive podiums and 6 wins between them

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Trailing behind such a consistent point-scorer is a psychological curse, no matter if you are the better rider. The best recent example was 2012 when Stoner crashed in US and missed 3 races afterwards.

Title deciding crashes? Nonsense. You're just reciting what Pecco said when he realized that he probably wouldn't be able to win the title this year, a few races ago. The excuses start coming out and the fingers point anywhere but inward.

Pecco had unforced errors all throughout the season. Misano, Malaysia, and Barcelona to name a few. Those were the title deciding crashes this year, and those are the ones Pecco will have nightmares from, not the racing incidents he had with the Marquez bros. You can't crash on your own that many times and expect to be the champion, 11 race wins or otherwise.

[FrukostScones]

Titles deciding crashes?
Nope.
Sorry.

Martin rode very brave (even in the last Sprint at Montmelo, very risky, just look at the start).

Martin had also his fair amount of falls, Jerez from first (GP), Germany from first (GP) etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Moto ... ampionship

Martin rode consistently better and came back all the time.

At the odd races USA, GB and Aragon it did not fail as Bagnaia did.
It would have been a shame if Martin lost it, he would have had nightmares about pitting at Emiglia Romagna GP till the end of his life.

He was better than Bagnaia this year, and much better than factory factory (sic!) equipped Bastianini.
A bitter Bastianini who is crying about Aleix Esparago protecting his friend and not allowing for fair racing LOL.

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/ ... /10673938/

[f1316]

Well, I said it before but one fewer mistake from Pecco and he’s won the title and ultimately that’s on him.

BUT I also want to say that 11 wins to 3 AND more sprint wins means we know who the man still is in MotoGP. This is a bit like when Hayden won the title and that didn’t change the fact that Rossi was clearly the top rider - same thing here. Bagnaia has dominated Sundays more than we’ve seen in a long time.

I look forward to seeing the intra team rivalry with Marquez next year and if Pecco can win that one, 2024 will just go down as a blip.

Someone with 8 DNF will never be the top rider

Martin was the fastest rider, despite not enjoying the experience and top staff from the oficial Ducati Lenovo Team

Congratulations to both Martin, and Ducati Pramac team, they did an awesome job beating the works team. First time in MotoGP era, and first time sine 2001 than a satelite team win the title!

I don’t know how anyone can possibly claim the guy with 3 wins is “faster” than the guy with 11 wins. It’s not just long runs either, as Pecco won just as many sprints as well.

Jorge was the more consistent, simple as that. And that’s fine and takes nothing away from him. But it’s the equivalent of Kimi vs Michael in 2003 - there’s no world in which you can say Kimi had the speed advantage that year.

Pecco has no one to blame but himself imho (not that he is blaming anyone - the sportsmanship has been impecco-able tbh) and he’s made too many mistakes every one of the last three seasons. But he also was very clearly the faster of the two - saying otherwise is ignoring the clear data.

[hollus]

You forgot to add “in my opinion” , f1316. Ideally in the first sentence of you post and, clearly, in the last. I don’t know how anyone can possibly forget that.

[Farnborough]

It has turned out to be more game of chess than outright speed advantage this year, driven by prominent crashes for all of the front four.

It was good to see the Martin family and friends in the pitbox as race and championship came to conclusion in final laps. That excitement, tension and joy for them all is a great part of his achievement.

With dispersal of fast Ducati riders into Aprillia and KTM, along with Aldegeur and Acosta in his second season, it's looking like a very interesting championship for 25.
Definitely a benchmark in having Marquez back at full performance after rehab/recovery over this year. Certainly good for him and Honda to move on and find their own direction, both.

Yamaha and Honda seemed to have grasped the need to be much more potent in their own development, with less conservative approach in chasing down the performance of Ducati etc.