2026 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, March 13-15

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Russell seems to harvest a lot more at t11 than Norris to have full power on the long straight. Ferrari and Mclaren use a similar delpoyment strategy but the Ferrari simply doesn't have the power, 10 kph down on both second straight and between t6 and t7. Ferrari looks very fast on corners especially slow ones.

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p.s. always credit to the goat Albano

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bye bye 2026 season, I can go in hibernation until 2028/2029

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This whole circus-format is really unwatchable imho, it has literally nothing to do with racing at all. Dropping speed halfway at the backstraight by dunno .. 75kph(?) is completely ridiculous.
It really is some sort of Mario Kart series now, and no racing will occur at all over the whole season; overtakes aren't overtakes anymore, just 60kph difference battery passes. Might as well take the drivers out of the equasion and robotize the sjit out of it.
And everything is kinda tokanized locked in just like 2014, so there will be no light at the end of the tunnel. ADUO won't change a thing.
It's extremely silly tbh
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Where in the past you were asking yourself if a driver has the balls to take a corner flat or whether they have to lift ever so slightly this is now just used for recharging taking away from that excitement.....

I mean if it at least was down to the drivers managing the clipping, harvesting and deployment manually you could still dedicate that to driver skills. But if the car / engine does it all automatically, programmed by the engineers that's very unsexy. And apparently even with the same PU (Merc and McLaren) you can gain so much on the software side that it completely offsets car and driver performance.......

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This is not F1 anymore. It's an abomination, even a Renault Clio cup is better, and has more racing DNA.

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Just change it to 70/30 and limit deployment per lap, cars should be pushing in the corners and not the travesty of slowing down to recharge. Also almost every race will be a one stop because the tyres will probably last the entire race by not pushing hard enough.

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any chance to outsource all the whining to a separate thread?

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langedweil wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 17:10
This whole circus-format is really unwatchable imho, it has literally nothing to do with racing at all. Dropping speed halfway at the backstraight by dunno .. 75kph(?) is completely ridiculous.
It really is some sort of Mario Kart series now, and no racing will occur at all over the whole season; overtakes aren't overtakes anymore, just 60kph difference battery passes. Might as well take the drivers out of the equasion and robotize the sjit out of it.
And everything is kinda tokanized locked in just like 2014, so there will be no light at the end of the tunnel. ADUO won't change a thing.
It's extremely silly tbh
Hopefully they will cut harvesting to ~6 MJ at energy starved circuits and 7MJ at energy rich ones, then cut MGU-K deployment to 200 kW without overtake and 250 kW with it. The cars will be horrifically slow, likely losing seconds per lap, but at least they would likely be able to push in quali and wouldn’t be lifting and coasting and super clipping into turn 14.

Either that or they could retain 350 kW, but then make it start tapering off rapidly from like 150 kph, hitting 200 kW at perhaps 220 kph, then tapering off further. That way they get to keep the nominal 50/50 split and good traction performance, but would make excessive deployment difficult and extend battery life significantly. At that point they would mostly just be trading top speed for the removal of super clipping and LiCo, which is fine in my book.

Either way the harvesting limits need to be cut back enormously in order to get the drivers to push in every corner. 350kW super clipping would likely also be advantageous for the few scenarios in which they would still need to super clip, since it is still slightly better than LiCo.

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search wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 17:59
any chance to outsource all the whining to a separate thread?
No.

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pantherxxx wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 18:08
search wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 17:59
any chance to outsource all the whining to a separate thread?
No.
I agree. Team personnel like engineers and designers read the race threads carefully and they get extremely important and critical ideas about their performance from all this whining. I fully support keeping it in race thread.

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Mr5in1 wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 13:09
I know the Mercedes look dominant again after this sprint qualifying but I would still like to see what happens over the course of the whole weekend before jumping to conclusions. Too many people jump on this forum to project so much negativity without any constructive criticism.

There is always a level of intrigue in any aspect of F1:
Is Mercedes gap down to just battery deployment / mapping, noting several teams use the same engines?
Is the Merc better in qualifying or will it have race issues?
Is McLaren better in qualy trim?
Is the Red Bull struggling more here for any reason?
Will the ADUO help other engine teams claw back performance?
Ooh I like it, trying to create excitement when there isn't any.

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lh13 wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 18:30
Mr5in1 wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 13:09
I know the Mercedes look dominant again after this sprint qualifying but I would still like to see what happens over the course of the whole weekend before jumping to conclusions. Too many people jump on this forum to project so much negativity without any constructive criticism.

There is always a level of intrigue in any aspect of F1:
Is Mercedes gap down to just battery deployment / mapping, noting several teams use the same engines?
Is the Merc better in qualifying or will it have race issues?
Is McLaren better in qualy trim?
Is the Red Bull struggling more here for any reason?
Will the ADUO help other engine teams claw back performance?
Ooh I like it, trying to create excitement when there isn't any.
Exactly ... however way you try to frame this horror series now, it doesn't take away there is single notion of racing other than boost passing in a straight line. DRS wasn't great, but lifting (or superclipping, whatever) half way straights and no brake usage in some corners (harvesting) exceeds the DRS annoyance by a tenfold.
It's a software/GPU match now .. nothing more.

And imho the gaps don't really bother me, they will come down eventually. It's just the complete lack of gladiator-esque driver performances .. they are as important as a bottle of water at the moment.
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