Silly Season 2016/2017

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Alonso had a 3-year plan in mind when joining Mclaren, with the objective of getting WDC and winning with Mclaren.
2/3 of that has gone past now - dry.
By now, both him and Mclaren know perfectly well whether they are anywhere near winning and a WDC for their 2017 contender.
If there is doubt the '17 Mclaren is able to win, then the objective has been lost, and i'm without a single doubt Alonso is open to leave whenever however he wants.

If Mercedes has a '17 contender that is able to win races and the title, then Alonso is without a single doubt able to go there, it only depends on whether Mercedes
is really willing to get him aboard. That question however has already been answered,

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alons ... le-676542/
Alonso says Hamilton/Mercedes swap deal was on table

Fernando Alonso has revealed that a proposal for a Ferrari/Mercedes swap with Lewis Hamilton for 2015 was on the table, before he eventually decided to cut loose and join McLaren.

Amid intense discussions over the summer of 2014 about his future at the Maranello team, there had been speculation that Alonso was trying to open a door for a switch to Mercedes.

One idea that surfaced at the time was for a straight driver swap with Hamilton, who would be moved to Ferrari for last season.

However, the idea never got very far and, after feeling that he could not continue giving his all for Ferrari, in the end his contract was cancelled and he decided to join McLaren.

Speaking to Spanish radio station Cadena Ser about the idea of a swap with Hamilton, Alonso said: "Yes, that offer was there.

"The circumstances meant that it came up, but Ferrari didn't want it at that point. They were in talks with me to renew until 2019, but Ferrari's offer did not convince me and I went to McLaren-Honda.
more fuel on that

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/moto ... 54926.html
Mercedes target Fernando Alonso in 2016 if Lewis Hamilton goes

Fernando Alonso would be top of the list for Mercedes if Formula One champion Lewis Hamilton fails to agree a new deal with the team beyond this year, according to motorsport director Toto Wolff.

Hamilton, who took his second championship in 2014 after winning 11 races, has yet to put pen to paper on a new contract despite both sides talking about their eagerness to stay together.

“There’s no hurry, we’ll discuss it during the year,” Wolff told Italy’s Gazetta dello Sport. “I’m an optimist. The priority is to continue with these drivers [Hamilton and Nico Rosberg]. Should it not be possible, then Alonso represents the first alternative, then there’s [Finland’s Valtteri] Bottas.”

McLaren said last month that Spaniard Alonso, a double world champion, had signed a multi-year deal in joining them from Ferrari. However, Alonso made little secret of the fact that he was interested in the Mercedes seat and is likely to have exit clauses if McLaren, who are starting a new partnership with Honda after years with Mercedes, under-perform.

Wolff has emphasised repeatedly that Mercedes want Hamilton to stay long-term and his words could be seen also as a means of putting pressure on the Briton by suggesting the team have alternatives. The Austrian paid tribute also to Alonso’s abilities, saying he was “dangerous” in any car. “If he has a car that can finish sixth, he will take it to third place,” said Wolff.

He also tipped Mercedes-powered Williams, the team he was with before Mercedes and which employs his wife Susie as a test driver as well as Bottas, as being a main rival in 2015 after they finished third overall last year.

“I put Williams at the top of the list,” Wolff said. “But I also fear a lot Red Bull. They have won four titles in a row and will use every resource in order to fight again for the title.”
and NOW

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/2316766/ ... -mercedes/
Nico Rosberg quits: Fernando Alonso in pole position to replace Rosberg at Mercedes

Spanish race ace won't come cheap - Mercedes need to release him from his McLaren deal worth around £25million

FERNANDO ALONSO is in pole position to replace Nico Rosberg after the German stunned F1 by announcing his retirement.
Rosberg, 31, dropped the bombshell just ahead of receiving the world championship trophy at a gala in Vienna on Friday.

one name that is top of the wish-list is two-time world champion Alonso, who was desperate to join Mercedes in 2014.
The Spaniard is in the final year of his contract at McLaren but would jump at the chance to join Mercedes and partner Lewis Hamilton for a second time in his career.
Alonso called Wolff about a seat for the 2014 season when his Ferrari contract was up but the Austrian was unwilling to break up his pairing to accommodate Alonso.
99% certain Alonso.
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Alonso has learnt a great deal in his many team swaps over the years. i could wager that there is a very elaborate get out clause in his contract.
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I don't see why Mercedes would put Alonso next to Hamilton. In Hamilton they have a driver proven to be a winner. Putting Alonso in the other car is likely to cause issues that make the tension between Hamilton and Rosberg look like a children's party. I can't see Alonso accepting an equal status clause in his contract: he will want #1 status.

A Hamilton/Alonso pairing is going to be hugely divisive in the team. Not least because Alonso is likely to want to play political games to help his cause. Hamilton won't care who is in the other car - he's always said he doesn't care and will race anyone. He might get annoyed by politics though and that is likely to shoot Mercedes in the foot.

Mercedes don't need a second champion in the other car, they need a solid driver who can bring in good points.
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It's reported Alonso has a £23 million UK pounds buyout price @ Mclaren.
One might wonder whether that buyout is actually mentionable since the chance is he has a good enough clause to walk out for free.

but if it isnt, that means Mercedes has to pay that £23m to 'snatch' Alonso away.

knowing Nico's 2-year deal on '17 and '18

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/20 ... h-lewis-h/
Rosberg will earn £18 million a year if he wins all his bonuses, including the world championship
So, let's say Mercedes would have to pay 18 million anyway, so 'all' they have to do is pay an additional 6 million to 'aquire' Alonso.

Offcourse this is without actual payment for Alonso.
However, whereas Rosberg is a rather grey and boring figure [ lets be honest here, no disrespect, just the truth ], Alonso is HUGELY
marketable.

Alonso alongside Hamilton on posters, brands, BOSS, etc etc etc. Jackpot!
In other words, Alonso will make up that money 'lost' with the biggest of ease.

So really, there is little doubt that Alonso would be the very best option there is to choose from. There won't be a next chance to get such a high-profile driver
in the near future.

At this point only Alonso and Hamilton are the 'big boys' left, with Vettel right behind them, but lets'face it, Vettel is on the decline unless he gets a strong 2017 performance out.
Even if someone like Max would be 'the next thing', he isnt yet there and he's locked at RedBull for the coming years anyway.

easy choise. for real.
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Manoah2u wrote:It's reported Alonso has a £23 million UK pounds buyout price @ Mclaren.
One might wonder whether that buyout is actually mentionable since the chance is he has a good enough clause to walk out for free.

but if it isnt, that means Mercedes has to pay that £23m to 'snatch' Alonso away.

knowing Nico's 2-year deal on '17 and '18

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/20 ... h-lewis-h/
Rosberg will earn £18 million a year if he wins all his bonuses, including the world championship
So, let's say Mercedes would have to pay 18 million anyway, so 'all' they have to do is pay an additional 6 million to 'aquire' Alonso.

Offcourse this is without actual payment for Alonso.
However, whereas Rosberg is a rather grey and boring figure [ lets be honest here, no disrespect, just the truth ], Alonso is HUGELY
marketable.

Alonso alongside Hamilton on posters, brands, BOSS, etc etc etc. Jackpot!
In other words, Alonso will make up that money 'lost' with the biggest of ease.

So really, there is little doubt that Alonso would be the very best option there is to choose from. There won't be a next chance to get such a high-profile driver
in the near future.

At this point only Alonso and Hamilton are the 'big boys' left, with Vettel right behind them, but lets'face it, Vettel is on the decline unless he gets a strong 2017 performance out.
Even if someone like Max would be 'the next thing', he isnt yet there and he's locked at RedBull for the coming years anyway.

easy choise. for real.
I see you have been trying to put two and two together. However, as Toto said hiring a top driver is the third option and least likely, so I will be flabbergasted if that happens.

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Just_a_fan wrote:I don't see why Mercedes would put Alonso next to Hamilton. In Hamilton they have a driver proven to be a winner. Putting Alonso in the other car is likely to cause issues that make the tension between Hamilton and Rosberg look like a children's party. I can't see Alonso accepting an equal status clause in his contract: he will want #1 status.

A Hamilton/Alonso pairing is going to be hugely divisive in the team. Not least because Alonso is likely to want to play political games to help his cause. Hamilton won't care who is in the other car - he's always said he doesn't care and will race anyone. He might get annoyed by politics though and that is likely to shoot Mercedes in the foot.

Mercedes don't need a second champion in the other car, they need a solid driver who can bring in good points.
This is what I think of it too and that's why I consider Bottas the better choise. He will gladly take on the #2 driver role alongside Hamiton.
Mercedes is probably done with this "equal treatment"-road they have chosen and will gladly swift towards a more pronounced #1 - #2 driver set up.

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Who would Hamilton want, a solid #2 or a big name so he can prove that he's better?

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The_table wrote:Who would Hamilton want, a solid #2 or a big name so he can prove that he's better?
Jensen would make a very solid #2 and Hoover up lots of WCC points for Mercedes. He wouldn't cause much of a fuss because he doesn't feel he has anything much to prove.

Btw I'm not a Jensen fan, I just think Mercedes signing him for a 1 year deal would suit both parties perfectly.
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Manoah2u wrote: So really, there is little doubt that Alonso would be the very best option there is to choose from. There won't be a next chance to get such a high-profile driver
in the near future.



easy choise. for real.
Anyone who remembers 2007 will say otherwise. Another 2007 would be the exact opposite of what Mercedes want.

Mercedes don't need another high-profile driver: they have the most successful (in terms of race wins) current F1 driver in the team. It doesn't get more high profile than that.
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The_table wrote:Who would Hamilton want, a solid #2 or a big name so he can prove that he's better?
I doubt he cares either way. I reckon he's just looking for wins and records.
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Mercedes policy was to score wins and 1-2 as much as possible. This is possible only with 2 top drivers. On the other hand 2 top drivers will clash on the race track all the time... Who knows what they are thinking now.

I would like to see Alonso for sheer fun but I doubt that. I would like to see Button drive for ex-Brawn team once again and in shocking last race wins wdc again... However I think Bottas-like driver will be the filler.

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That Alonso will play politcal games and cause a big rift is a bit overblown i would say. Alonso the sportsman has matured matkedly since his first few years at Ferrari. We got the chance to see him alongside two world champions in kimi and Button and he seemed to bahave himself. There were no stories of any spats or betrayals. One might say that Kimi and Button may not be as quick as Alonso on a given day but they are champions who did make their demands and Alonso seemed to play well. I think he will be OK riding alongside Lewis though i know he wont get the seat anyway.

Anywhoo. Confirmation by Vettel that he is staying at ferrari. http://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2016/1 ... -mercedes/
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Confirmation by Vettel that he has a Ferrari contract next year.... Not the same thing.

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A driver like Alonso is the absolute best choice if the goal is to keep the momentum at Mercedes moving forward. They need speed and experience considering just how unknown the 2017 competition is.

I also think picking anyone other than a top driver(or contractually limiting a fast young driver) would be a mistake. Having a clear number one is incredibly boring to watch in my opinion and will literally put fans to sleep even more than the Mercedes' dominance has already.

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Pay Mclaren $23m because it's only $6m more than if they paid Rosberg if he won the next 20 races... is Alonso going to race for free? That's basically a $85m wage bill just for two men for 2017. Yes every man and his dog would love to see it happen but dream on, Palmer has a better chance landing that drive.

Alonso may have a clause to not drive for Mclaren in 2017 but that doesn't mean he can drive for someone else- like Raikkonen in 2010 was paid $20m to be somewhere else but not in the paddock.
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