2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[FittingMechanics]

Ferrari had room to pit Leclerc if they were worried about the weight. Just shows how close to the limits some of these cars are being run at.

I'm still quite surprised that the cars are weighted with tyres.

[Emag]

You know who’s the biggest winner in all of this:

Haas, more specifically, Ayo Komatsu.

Ayo not going for the pull-rod front might be a blessing in disguise, because not only do you save a bunch of money on R&D for this years car and development with an architecture you’re familiar which is easier to manage, you also free up a lot more time dedicated towards next year car.

Now Haas got P5 and P8 as a result, love seeing them succeed.

Let's be honest here, Haas only did what they did because they're trying to save resources this year with 2026 regs looming. They can't handle a big change in suspension layout like the bigger teams do. It's perfectly reasonable for a team like Haas, but not feasible for a team like Ferrari which has to consider performance ceilings of multiple paths of development and pursue the highest one if they want to have a shot at the title(s).

People need to be a bit patient. It's not great to lose points like this, but the car is definitely not a dud and the season is very long. There's pace in it when they get it in the right window.

[Venturiation]

You know who’s the biggest winner in all of this:

Haas, more specifically, Ayo Komatsu.

Ayo not going for the pull-rod front might be a blessing in disguise, because not only do you save a bunch of money on R&D for this years car and development with an architecture you’re familiar which is easier to manage, you also free up a lot more time dedicated towards next year car.

Now Haas got P5 and P8 as a result, love seeing them succeed.

Let's be honest here, Haas only did what they did because they're trying to save resources this year with 2026 regs looming. They can't handle a big change in suspension layout like the bigger teams do. It's perfectly reasonable for a team like Haas, but not feasible for a team like Ferrari which has to consider performance ceilings of multiple paths of development and pursue the highest one if they want to have a shot at the title(s)

haas didn't change because ferrari finished the suspension late when haas already made the 2025 car, same happened to williams and mercedes in 2023 and 2024

[214270]

So billiard smooth or sprint races, those are the only options that allow the platform to be run at optimum height.

Seems along with HAM, D’Ambrosio and Serra, Ferrari also imported another former Merc trait of needing to run the car slammed or it’s mediocre

[Downforce777]

So billiard smooth or sprint races, those are the only options that allow the platform to be run at optimum height.

Seems along with HAM, D’Ambrosio and Serra, Ferrari also imported another former Merc trait of needing to run the car slammed or it’s mediocre

I think the problem so far is in the lack of understanding of the settings of this car, otherwise why change the settings constantly, after almost every session, I think a new bottom can fix the situation

[michl420]

Ferrari had room to pit Leclerc if they were worried about the weight. Just shows how close to the limits some of these cars are being run at.

I'm still quite surprised that the cars are weighted with tyres.

Weighing without tires would actually be a good idea, because it comes again (after RUS last year) with a very long last stint.
And I say it again, this fuel draining before weighing makes no sense for me.

[Tonino]

The biggest clown team in F1, bar none. Even when they start the season with a good car, they always find a way to clown themselves out of a championship. Not to mention, they haven’t won anything in about 20 years. (Can’t say I’m not enjoying all of this, to be honest, after all the abuse Mercedes received last year from Lewis and his fans.)

When is someone at Ferrari going to take some accountability? Elkann? Vasseur? Seems like Vasseur is immune from any criticism because he’s giving off ‘good old Uncle Fred’ vibes.

[Dee]

Am I right in saying that Charles scored the most points over the second part of the season last year and Ferrari for the constructors. Why then would you change the suspension so much?

[bluechris]

The biggest clown team in F1, bar none. Even when they start the season with a good car, they always find a way to clown themselves out of a championship. Not to mention, they haven’t won anything in about 20 years. (Can’t say I’m not enjoying all of this, to be honest, after all the abuse Mercedes received last year from Lewis and his fans.)

When is someone at Ferrari going to take some accountability? Elkann? Vasseur? Seems like Vasseur is immune from any criticism because he’s giving off ‘good old Uncle Fred’ vibes.

Thank you for your insightful comment m8, the antiFerrari bar is raised constantly in the Ferrari thread from people who are not real Ferrari fans.
Yes we botched it today, so? It's a new car with big changes and the team will learn from this.
Yes other teams find solutions faster.
We came from many years with loosing everything and now that there are positive signs from last year and this year also, we must throw everyone under the bus, again.
No, i will not do that and i have my hopes high on them. They know what they did today, we all knew that the 2025 car will be extreme and we can go only forward from now on.

[Farnborough]

Ferrari had room to pit Leclerc if they were worried about the weight. Just shows how close to the limits some of these cars are being run at.

I'm still quite surprised that the cars are weighted with tyres.

Weighing without tires would actually be a good idea, because it comes again (after RUS last year) with a very long last stint.
And I say it again, this fuel draining before weighing makes no sense for me.

While I can see the point here, they do all know the rules, planning to stay within them is intrinsic to any measured item.

Whatever those rules are though, each team will squeeze them to the nth degree, with exactly the same risk of going too far.

There's no real other way to look at hard limits, comply or get dsq, its the same for any item noted. I dont feel any excuse from any team can be offered in this situation.

[f1isgood]

I only see this as a serious issue if the car cannot get performance without wearing the skids as that would seemingly be a bigger issue to resolve.

[mizarbarym]

I think they want to try something new since the old suspension never gave them great results except in 2017 and 2018. I think Ferrari needs more time with the car on the track, they changed the front suspension that they haven't used for 10 years and made more changes to the rear of the car. It was the team that changed the most this year, they are taking risks and I like a team that takes risks even if it takes time or these mistakes can happen.

[Xyz22]

Charles, immediately after Lewis pitted, started lapping better than Norris in the first stint.
The only positive of this race.

[Harvester]

Am I right in saying that Charles scored the most points over the second part of the season last year and Ferrari for the constructors. Why then would you change the suspension so much?

Probably because they reached the limit in developing car last year and still they were behind Mclaren. It is better to sort out suspension this year than next. Obviously this issue was not planned but it is what it is. I will really be disappointed if they are not ready next year for the next rules era.

[TNTHead]

Does anyone know the uncertainty of the measurement equipment? 799 vs 800 kg is only 0,125% difference. One would assume that they should add the measurement uncertainty to the measured value before comparison with the limit.