2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[RS200E]

insulation problem on second tests is mclaren fault. in general changing engine would not help. thats one less issue to blame honda for. https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/statu ... 4623926273

Doesn't say anywhere in the autosport article about it being McLaren's fault. Also who even is
Albert Fabrega, seems like another spin artist.

[Del Boy]

I would like to know if the oil used in an F1 PU could be magnetised and therefore the lower level of oil could increase performance? Any electricity could create the magnetic field strong enough with the ICE. Could Honda do this?

does that imply that there are particles in the oil that can be magnetized? and since it's magnetism we're talking about they should be of metal origin... and would surely kill the engine. right?

Well yes and no. But if the whole PU is magnetised then less oil splash within the ICE could provide more performance. I'm not an engineer so I'm just asking if this could be done.

There is no splash oil. It's either pressurised or sprayed.

[Singabule]

Albert fabrega see our discussion regarding insulator...

[JonoNic]

does that imply that there are particles in the oil that can be magnetized? and since it's magnetism we're talking about they should be of metal origin... and would surely kill the engine. right?

Well yes and no. But if the whole PU is magnetised then less oil splash within the ICE could provide more performance. I'm not an engineer so I'm just asking if this could be done.

There is no splash oil. It's either pressurised or sprayed.

Thanks for that information sir. I am not an engineer and I do not know much about engines, so I was just asking if Honda could take a performance advantage of the magnetic field created by MGU-K or H and PU lubrication.

[Singabule]

If shark fin banned, i think MCL 32 is good looking. Not a big fan of their sidepod though, but it is due to lack of sponsor.

[Schuttelberg]

Just like to mention a few things that I see a lot of McLaren-Honda fans see get upset about-

1) The Livery- To be honest, because of the demerits of Internet and mass communication, it's impossible to please everyone. I've seen people diss and appreciate every car on the grid. It's just human nature. Everyone likes something or the other, otherwise all women would choose one husband and the rest would die happy/sad. Whatever suits you.

Jokes aside, McLaren should be thoroughly lauded for the livery. Why? Ok, it might not suit everyone's taste and some of the lines might be clumsy but at least they tried to give the fans what they want. Personally, I love the livery. To those that find the livery a clumsy attempt must see the honesty of the McLaren guys in it to please the fans. It's not the end of the world, they can make the livery more sophisticated next year or even mid season if they choose to. Please let's not get into the red and white 'Marlboro' livery. It makes 0 sense to have that commercially and I think it's best left in the history books for the feeling of nostalgia. It's time to write a new chapter.

2) Fernando Alonso - Like every fan, I'm dying to see Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, Ricciardo, Verstappen and if Raikkonen has his brain in gear then him, dance every race for wins and titles. However, I'm well aware that I'm not a Hollywood script writer and the best case scenario would be to see a 3 way fight with one driver from each team. Hell, I'd take a 2 horse fight but from different teams.
Racing is hard. Specially F1. Unlike other sports, you could be at the peak of your powers as a sportsman but if you don't have the machine underneath you, then you can't influence the result as much as you can in other sports. But, to elevate the team and the machine to a level where it can and you can make a difference over a stretch of time has a strange euphoria attached to it that cannot be found in any other sport.
Alonso is exactly at the crossroad he once was at Ferrari. Yes, Yes, this situation is unacceptable and he was at least fighting for wins bla bla, we know that. Alonso doesn't want to finish second. He deserves and yearns a third title. That's all that matters to him. Personally, I feel he's right to have said what he did about Honda, but he must use his influence to motivate the team and the engine manufacturer to improve from within. I can understand his media tactic to apply external pressure, but internally he must bite this bullet and take it in the stride because if he overcomes it then victory will be really sweet. Also, his choices look very limited otherwise. More than anything else, has he learnt from his mistakes made earlier in his career? It remains to be seen but it will be truly fascinating.

3) Honda- Honda have been given a well deserved walloping. But, there is a lot of rubbish being dished out. All this talk of F1 culture not being there? FFS, they're a championship winning engine manufacturer. Wasn't there a lot of talk last season about Ferrari being in turmoil because they operate from Italy and not England? The newspapers will yell, the media will magnify issues and the pressure will be relentless but Honda must just put the head down and work. Why? To heal it's hurt pride but mostly to give to the McLaren-Honda fans and Alonso the triumph they deserve. I'll just remind everyone that Honda had a massive role to play in the 2009 Brawn triumph. They know how to win and while their culture is different, they have a racing pedigree distinct from anyone else.

I have one small criticism though- I've found Eric Boullier quite temperamental and exaggerated in his claims more than once now. I repeatedly get the feeling he's not the right man to head McLaren. May be I'm wrong, but this is my impression.

Lastly, I'm not a McLaren/Honda fan. Far from it. But I know that McLaren is one of the most important teams in F1 and it's fans the most ardent and loyal. It's very hard to climb two steps of the ladder from rock bottom and be thrown right down again. The pain is an integral part of the euphoria that will follow.

[Pierce89]

insulation problem on second tests is mclaren fault. in general changing engine would not help. thats one less issue to blame honda for. https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/statu ... 4623926273

Doesn't say anywhere in the autosport article about it being McLaren's fault. Also who even is
Albert Fabrega, seems like another spin artist.

Can't you use some critical thinking before posting this crap.

crap in Your head! faberga is one of most trustable sources. it is a response to other tweet with autosport, but he is not reffering to that.

Are you for real? Fabrega is nothing and noone, as far as f1 goes. He is not a legit source. He's been right before but he's also been very wrong before. I never trust tweets that show no source, anyway. All the "f1 journos" can be more than a bit off base, sometimes.Its probably because the teams regularly give them false info.

My take on it being McLaren's "fault": McLaren probably are responsible for electrical insulation, but at the same time, they're probably using a solution that has worked properly for years. The difference,this year, being that the the tji Honda is rattling it all to bits, worse than a flat plane 90° v8 ever did(which is saying something).

[CBeck113]

You two know who really knows? McLaren and Honda - so until they start talking EVERYONE is guessing.

As for the livery, it's simple: we're talking about it, so it worked.

[kasio]

Doesn't say anywhere in the autosport article about it being McLaren's fault. Also who even is
Albert Fabrega, seems like another spin artist.

Can't you use some critical thinking before posting this crap.

crap in Your head! faberga is one of most trustable sources. it is a response to other tweet with autosport, but he is not reffering to that.

Are you for real? Fabrega is nothing and noone, as far as f1 goes. He is not a legit source. He's been right before but he's also been very wrong before. I never trust tweets that show no source, anyway. All the "f1 journos" can be more than a bit off base, sometimes.Its probably because the teams regularly give them false info.

My take on it being McLaren's "fault": McLaren probably are responsible for electrical insulation, but at the same time, they're probably using a solution that has worked properly for years. The difference,this year, being that the the tji Honda is rattling it all to bits, worse than a flat plane 90° v8 ever did(which is saying something).

Do you know that You actually believe that honda engine has vibration problems just because of journos? You put those pieces together and make Your opinion. I also put pieces together. Do You remember Honda changed electric components and next day problem reappeared? And they had no clue! that is fact but from journos. Faberga tweeted that they found issue when changing components. .If put those two together i believe that second time changing components real problem was found! and it wasnt on engine side.
And Faberga is very clear when he is speculating and when has real base. at least i can distinguish that.
About insulation its not that much who to blame but who not to blame. When some component breaks all the time First thing to blame is the one which was breaking. at the end it came out that its a new problem.

[diffuser]

It's actually quite good looking. Only a few internet thumb happy loudmouths don't like it.

It's actually quite poor looking. Only a few internet thumb happy loudmouths like it.


See how this works?
The difference is of course, other team bosses are also slating it, as are the general media.

I see how your childish attitute works yes.

The general media + a team boss + you and another few people don't represent the majority. Or do you actually think those represent a consensus lmao!

The majority like it, the minority don't like it.

In general RS200E , if you need to revert to using words like "loudmouth" or "childish", you should understand that it doesn't strengthen your point to insult or belittle the alternate argument.

At any rate I agree with Phillip. I think Horner mentioned it wasn't pretty, Ted on the notebook mentioned it. Ted said it in passing that it was a general consensus in the paddock (that it wasn't pretty).

You are allowed to like it....

[GoranF1]

This is just a small part of Autosport plus huuuuuge article on Mclaren Honda.


The new Honda engine, featuring a revised architecture and new combustion technology, lacks power to such a degree that it is currently weaker than the 2016 unit. Current estimates suggest Honda's deficit to Mercedes has increased from 80bhp at the end of last year to something approaching 120bhp, which is not far short of running without use of the MGU-K.

Honda made great strides developing its energy recovery systems in 2016, but its new 2017 'Melbourne-spec' combustion engine was so unstable during the second Barcelona test that it literally shook itself to death. When the severe vibrations weren't causing electrical failures, the ignition systems were detonating the engine at low revs.



EDIT: Mclaren chassis upgrade for AUS is worth around 1 sec per lap.

[diffuser]

This is just a small part of Autosport plus huuuuuge article on Mclaren Honda.


The new Honda engine, featuring a revised architecture and new combustion technology, lacks power to such a degree that it is currently weaker than the 2016 unit. Current estimates suggest Honda's deficit to Mercedes has increased from 80bhp at the end of last year to something approaching 120bhp, which is not far short of running without use of the MGU-K.

Honda made great strides developing its energy recovery systems in 2016, but its new 2017 'Melbourne-spec' combustion engine was so unstable during the second Barcelona test that it literally shook itself to death. When the severe vibrations weren't causing electrical failures, the ignition systems were detonating the engine at low revs.



EDIT: Mclaren chassis upgrade for AUS is worth around 1 sec per lap.

Thanks for that Goranf1 ...

Sounds like a timing issue with the detonation at low revs. I take the lack of power complaints with a grain of Salt. I'm sure they'll get much more power out of it when they get it all cleaned up.

[i70q7m7ghw]

EDIT: Mclaren chassis upgrade for AUS is worth around 1 sec per lap.

They will need that, because when Alonso leaves he will take his 6 tenths with him.

[SR71]

You two know who really knows? McLaren and Honda - so until they start talking EVERYONE is guessing.

As for the livery, it's simple: we're talking about it, so it worked.

No it didn't work. We'd be talking about it no matter what.

Will we remember it in 10 yrs. no.

This isn't a classic it's an indicator of the lack of vision and direction at the very highest levels of the team.

ZB signed off on this eyesore, no one else. let that be an indicator of things to come.

[GoranF1]

Interesting part of that article is when Cyril Abiteboul talks about Honda, he says situation is simmilar to that Renault went trough(i think he means early 2015) when they did a step back as well and yet they recoverd nicely that year even whit the token restriction.
So there's hope.