2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[diffuser]

Regarding the Battery, the new regulations are not trivial.
They have the same energy window (4 MJ) but will be charged -the more difficult task for a battery- with almost 3x compared to 2025. The only relief is that the Battery can be 35 instead of 20 kg. It is not trivial task. However, it's difficult to understand why this could not be tested on the bench.

The battery density is very low compared to today's EVs. I did the math and it comes to 55kwh/kg. While current EVs are in the high 100kwh/kg to low 200kgh/kg.

It's not a 4MJ battery. It's a battery with a maximum SOC delta of 4MJ.

Ok, thanks for that distinction.

[NAPI10]

Is it possible for FIA to disqualify honda for being such a bad manufacturer and force enginer supplier to provide engine to aston ?. I dnt think aston being lapped by new enntrants does F1 brand any good and they might become safety risk. Donkey racing in race of horses. I fully blame aston for this debacle. They did not learn from mclaren at all. Honda is good enough for 100cc bike and biat engines, they dnt deserve to be in F1. We dnt need GP3 manufacturers here.

Clearly you've arrived on here with all but nil knowledge of Honda, it's engineering capability, it's interaction within many facets of motorsport .... yet choose to fictionalise and spew derogatory comments about a highly competent company.

The forum doesn't need your views in this form.

Agree. No doubt on Honda's capability & their focus on quality and reliability. This has helped Honda to churn out volumes with road cars.
Though, their strength has became a weakness in fast & completive sports like F1. Honda’s focus on quality & reliability makes them slow in reacting to changes; it’s in their DNA. They are the last one to introduce any new technology, even with road cars. Honda ends up mastering the craft but always takes considerable time.
Lawrence has to keep pushing Honda’s top management to bring the quick turn around.

[diffuser]

Is it possible for FIA to disqualify honda for being such a bad manufacturer and force enginer supplier to provide engine to aston ?. I dnt think aston being lapped by new enntrants does F1 brand any good and they might become safety risk. Donkey racing in race of horses. I fully blame aston for this debacle. They did not learn from mclaren at all. Honda is good enough for 100cc bike and biat engines, they dnt deserve to be in F1. We dnt need GP3 manufacturers here.

Clearly you've arrived on here with all but nil knowledge of Honda, it's engineering capability, it's interaction within many facets of motorsport .... yet choose to fictionalise and spew derogatory comments about a highly competent company.

The forum doesn't need your views in this form.

Agree. No doubt on Honda's capability & their focus on quality and reliability. This has helped Honda to churn out volumes with road cars.
Though, their strength has became a weakness in fast & completive sports like F1. Honda’s focus on quality & reliability makes them slow in reacting to changes; it’s in their DNA. They are the last one to introduce any new technology, even with road cars. Honda ends up mastering the craft but always takes considerable time.
Lawrence has to keep pushing Honda’s top management to bring the quick turn around.

Crack the whip!

[edu2703]

Is it possible for FIA to disqualify honda for being such a bad manufacturer and force enginer supplier to provide engine to aston ?. I dnt think aston being lapped by new enntrants does F1 brand any good and they might become safety risk. Donkey racing in race of horses. I fully blame aston for this debacle. They did not learn from mclaren at all. Honda is good enough for 100cc bike and biat engines, they dnt deserve to be in F1. We dnt need GP3 manufacturers here.

A classic case of recency bias.

Honda engines have won 2 constructors' championships with Red Bull, with dozens of victories in the current turbo era, not to mention other titles and dozens more wins for cars with their engines in other eras of Formula 1.

Honda is among the top 10 vehicle manufacturers in the world and is present in several motorsport categories, both 2 and 4 wheels. There is absolutely no doubt about Honda's competence in motorsport. There is no universe in which they can be considered a "bad manufacturer".

Criticisms of Honda at the moment are valid, but to lower the level to the point of belittling the entire company is extremely ignorant and will contribute absolutely nothing to the debate. Honda has a rich history in F1 and the Formula 1 Group is pleased to have a global manufacturer producing engines for the category.

Regarding your "safety concerns," the FIA ​​doesn't disqualify engines for being too bad because it understands this is simply an engineering risk; a manufacturer can naturally have problems, and that's part of the game.

The 107% rule already exists to deal with cars that are too slow and could pose a risk to other drivers in a race. There's no need to go so far as to ban the engine.

[diffuser]

Regarding the Battery, the new regulations are not trivial.
They have the same energy window (4 MJ) but will be charged -the more difficult task for a battery- with almost 3x compared to 2025. The only relief is that the Battery can be 35 instead of 20 kg. It is not trivial task. However, it's difficult to understand why this could not be tested on the bench.

The battery density is very low compared to today's EVs. I did the math and it comes to 55kwh/kg. While current EVs are in the high 100kwh/kg to low 200kgh/kg.

Well, it is not about capacity (energy) density, but power density. You may do the math again, maybe with an EV with 80 kWh and 360 kW charging power (4C, which is a lot).
It's a huge task.
But again, it's also something which can tested easily on a bench.

My argument was the battery density was low, which leaves a lot of weight to do many things to contreveen issues like heat. AC3 pointed out that 4MJ is only a portion of the size of the battery they're allowed to use. The battery itself might be 10MJ in actual capacity, remember they will not use the top and bottom 20% (40% total).

[Sasha]

Honda learns from there mistakes and will make the best because that is their DNA.
How fast depends on Honda leaders!
When the Honda Leaders gives the ok to just get it done and drops their normal slow & conservative approach, THE ENGINEERS MAKE MAGIC!!!

[Abarth]

The battery density is very low compared to today's EVs. I did the math and it comes to 55kwh/kg. While current EVs are in the high 100kwh/kg to low 200kgh/kg.

Well, it is not about capacity (energy) density, but power density. You may do the math again, maybe with an EV with 80 kWh and 360 kW charging power (4C, which is a lot).
It's a huge task.
But again, it's also something which can tested easily on a bench.

My argument was the battery density was low, which leaves a lot of weight to do many things to contreveen issues like heat. AC3 pointed out that 4MJ is only a portion of the size of the battery they're allowed to use. The battery itself might be 10MJ in actual capacity, remember they will not use the top and bottom 20% (40% total).

Yes I'm aware of that. Power density is not only referenced to capacity, but also to weight and volume.
What I try to say, obviously in vain, that the battery is not that easy task as it has been depicted.

[Abarth]

The battery density is very low compared to today's EVs. I did the math and it comes to 55kwh/kg. While current EVs are in the high 100kwh/kg to low 200kgh/kg.

Well, it is not about capacity (energy) density, but power density. You may do the math again, maybe with an EV with 80 kWh and 360 kW charging power (4C, which is a lot).
It's a huge task.
But again, it's also something which can tested easily on a bench.

My argument was the battery density was low, which leaves a lot of weight to do many things to contreveen issues like heat. AC3 pointed out that 4MJ is only a portion of the size of the battery they're allowed to use. The battery itself might be 10MJ in actual capacity, remember they will not use the top and bottom 20% (40% total).

Yes I'm aware of that. Power density is not only referenced to capacity, but also to weight and volume.
What I try to say, obviously in vain, that the battery is not that easy task as it has been depicted.

[dialtone]

The battery density is very low compared to today's EVs. I did the math and it comes to 55kwh/kg. While current EVs are in the high 100kwh/kg to low 200kgh/kg.

Well, it is not about capacity (energy) density, but power density. You may do the math again, maybe with an EV with 80 kWh and 360 kW charging power (4C, which is a lot).
It's a huge task.
But again, it's also something which can tested easily on a bench.

My argument was the battery density was low, which leaves a lot of weight to do many things to contreveen issues like heat. AC3 pointed out that 4MJ is only a portion of the size of the battery they're allowed to use. The battery itself might be 10MJ in actual capacity, remember they will not use the top and bottom 20% (40% total).

In all likelihood they will stop using the top 30% and bottom 20.

Charge speed starts to slow down at the 60% mark and at 70% slows down quite quickly, and all the overheating and reliability issues start to pop up.

I’d be surprised if they use more than 50% of the battery.

[mzso]

Is it possible for FIA to disqualify honda for being such a bad manufacturer and force enginer supplier to provide engine to aston ?. I dnt think aston being lapped by new enntrants does F1 brand any good and they might become safety risk. Donkey racing in race of horses. I fully blame aston for this debacle. They did not learn from mclaren at all. Honda is good enough for 100cc bike and biat engines, they dnt deserve to be in F1. We dnt need GP3 manufacturers here.

Ridiculous, mad ranting. Never mind that Honda made one of the best PUs and won 4 championships in a row. Almost 5.

[McG]

Is it possible for FIA to disqualify honda for being such a bad manufacturer and force enginer supplier to provide engine to aston ?. I dnt think aston being lapped by new enntrants does F1 brand any good and they might become safety risk. Donkey racing in race of horses. I fully blame aston for this debacle. They did not learn from mclaren at all. Honda is good enough for 100cc bike and biat engines, they dnt deserve to be in F1. We dnt need GP3 manufacturers here.

A classic case of recency bias.

Honda engines have won 2 constructors' championships with Red Bull, with dozens of victories in the current turbo era, not to mention other titles and dozens more wins for cars with their engines in other eras of Formula 1.

Honda is among the top 10 vehicle manufacturers in the world and is present in several motorsport categories, both 2 and 4 wheels. There is absolutely no doubt about Honda's competence in motorsport. There is no universe in which they can be considered a "bad manufacturer".

Criticisms of Honda at the moment are valid, but to lower the level to the point of belittling the entire company is extremely ignorant and will contribute absolutely nothing to the debate. Honda has a rich history in F1 and the Formula 1 Group is pleased to have a global manufacturer producing engines for the category.

Regarding your "safety concerns," the FIA ​​doesn't disqualify engines for being too bad because it understands this is simply an engineering risk; a manufacturer can naturally have problems, and that's part of the game.

The 107% rule already exists to deal with cars that are too slow and could pose a risk to other drivers in a race. There's no need to go so far as to ban the engine.

Classic case of not bothering to read up on who was responsible for the quick improvement of "Honda". Red Bull’s improvement followed the hiring of Mercedes power unit engineer Ben Hodgkinson to lead Red Bull Powertrains, which fundamentally changed how the so called Honda engine was developed, integrated, and operated. While the core architecture remained Honda’s on paper, Red Bull gained championship winning mechanical expertise in reliability optimisation, packaging, and extracting performance from the power unit in ways Honda had not achieved before in that chassis. In F1 operational control and engineering execution define real world performance, so although the design originated with Honda, the engine’s behaviour and results were shaped largely by Red Bull’s own power unit program. I'll never fully understand why people don't just fact check before posting.

[McG]

Is it possible for FIA to disqualify honda for being such a bad manufacturer and force enginer supplier to provide engine to aston ?. I dnt think aston being lapped by new enntrants does F1 brand any good and they might become safety risk. Donkey racing in race of horses. I fully blame aston for this debacle. They did not learn from mclaren at all. Honda is good enough for 100cc bike and biat engines, they dnt deserve to be in F1. We dnt need GP3 manufacturers here.

Oof this has caused a stir

I agree though. Although I'm not much of a fan of Stroll F1. Why would anyone be. It's just an ill suited cringe partnership.

[diffuser]

Is it possible for FIA to disqualify honda for being such a bad manufacturer and force enginer supplier to provide engine to aston ?. I dnt think aston being lapped by new enntrants does F1 brand any good and they might become safety risk. Donkey racing in race of horses. I fully blame aston for this debacle. They did not learn from mclaren at all. Honda is good enough for 100cc bike and biat engines, they dnt deserve to be in F1. We dnt need GP3 manufacturers here.

Ridiculous, mad ranting. Never mind that Honda made one of the best PUs and won 4 championships in a row. Almost 5.

Easy...Lots of AMF1 et al are feeling frustrated.

[edu2703]

Classic case of not bothering to read up on who was responsible for the quick improvement of "Honda". Red Bull’s improvement followed the hiring of Mercedes power unit engineer Ben Hodgkinson to lead Red Bull Powertrains, which fundamentally changed how the so called Honda engine was developed, integrated, and operated. While the core architecture remained Honda’s on paper, Red Bull gained championship winning mechanical expertise in reliability optimisation, packaging, and extracting performance from the power unit in ways Honda had not achieved before in that chassis. In Formula One, operational control and engineering execution define real world performance, so although the design originated with Honda, the engine’s behaviour and results were shaped largely by Red Bull’s own power unit program. I'll never fully understand why people don't just fact check before posting.

The way you put it, it sounds like Red Bull did some kind of reverse engineering, building their own PU using only the Honda PU as a base, and only then did it become a competitive power unite capable of winning races and championships.

The reality: Honda PU has 17 wins and a drivers' title before Red Bull Powertrains started working on the PU in 2022, and even before Ben Hodgkinson started working for the team, as he was on gardening leave in 2021.

And no, Red Bull didn't make any significant modifications to the PU to gain much performance. Even because power unit development was frozen in 2022, and Honda anticipated the pre-freeze version in 2021. The PU that Red Bull used weren't even manufactured in Milton Keynes. They were always manufactured at the HRC plant in Sakura. When you think they were Red Bull power units with a Honda sticker, the fact is that it was quite the opposite. They were Honda power units with just the RBPT sticker.

The PU was already competitive even at Toro Rosso in 2018, when they finished P4 in Bahrain in the first year Honda PU was in the team. I don't know what source you've been looking at, that places almost all the responsibility for the success of Honda PU on Red Bull, when the Honda PU was already showing competitiveness years before Red Bull even had an power unit department.

There was great cooperation between Honda and Red Bull which ensured maximum integration of the power unit with the car that allowed the team's championships, but to give all the credit on PU side to Red Bull is extremely ignorant. Several of the changes and improvements to the PU were conceived and developed by Honda engineers in Sakura, not by Ben Hodgkinson's team in Milton Keynes.

Again, I would like sources that support at least half of what you wrote in your comment, because as far as I've researched, your comment is so wrong in several points that it sounds like pure ignorance. But judging by your profile picture, I think I know where your hatred for Honda comes from.

[Leon Kennedy]

Classic case of not bothering to read up on who was responsible for the quick improvement of "Honda". Red Bull’s improvement followed the hiring of Mercedes power unit engineer Ben Hodgkinson to lead Red Bull Powertrains, which fundamentally changed how the so called Honda engine was developed, integrated, and operated. While the core architecture remained Honda’s on paper, Red Bull gained championship winning mechanical expertise in reliability optimisation, packaging, and extracting performance from the power unit in ways Honda had not achieved before in that chassis. In Formula One, operational control and engineering execution define real world performance, so although the design originated with Honda, the engine’s behaviour and results were shaped largely by Red Bull’s own power unit program. I'll never fully understand why people don't just fact check before posting.

The way you put it, it sounds like Red Bull did some kind of reverse engineering, building their own PU using only the Honda PU as a base, and only then did it become a competitive power unite capable of winning races and championships.

The reality: Honda PU has 17 wins and a drivers' title before Red Bull Powertrains even existed in 2022, and even before Ben Hodgkinson started working for the team, as he was on gardening leave in 2021.

And no, Red Bull didn't make any significant modifications to the PU to gain much performance. Even because power unit development was frozen in 2022, and Honda anticipated the pre-freeze version in 2021. The PU that Red Bull used weren't even manufactured in Milton Keynes. They were always manufactured at the HRC plant in Sakura. When you think they were Red Bull power units with a Honda sticker, the fact is that it was quite the opposite. They were Honda power units with just the RBPT sticker.

The PU was already competitive even at Toro Rosso in 2018, when they finished P4 in Bahrain in the first year Honda PU was in the team. I don't know what source you've been looking at, that places almost all the responsibility for the success of Honda PU on Red Bull, when the Honda PU was already showing competitiveness years before Red Bull even had an power unit department.

There was great cooperation between Honda and Red Bull which ensured maximum integration of the power unit with the car that allowed the team's championships, but to give all the credit on PU side to Red Bull is extremely ignorant. Several of the changes and improvements to the PU were conceived and developed by Honda engineers in Sakura, not by Ben Hodgkinson's team in Milton Keynes.

Again, I would like sources that support at least half of what you wrote in your comment, because as far as I've researched, your comment is so wrong in several points that it sounds like pure ignorance. But judging by your profile picture, I think I know where your hatred for Honda comes from.

I understood what he meant and he is right in saying that the last 3 championships won by Verstappen are not only thanks to Honda. Let's be clear: from 2021 to 2022 the Power unit was developed by Redbull powertrain together with Honda, so from 2022 onwards it was a modified Honda engine. At Sakura they knew the modifications and so they simply helped in the logistics and production part, they have the intellectual property of that engine (in fact it bore the Honda name), but the development it wasn't done only in Sakura.

Honda's withdrawal announcement was made on October 2, 2020.

Basically from 2018 to 2020 pure Honda engine, from the beginning of the 2021 to 2025 Honda modified by Redbull Powertrain.