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JDC123 wrote:when McLaren said they wont bring any 2013 upgrades any more does that mean they will just use last years monza package. just wondering cos wont that be designed for the push rod suspension
I think that they are going to remove the cascade's like they did last year.

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Not only new beam wing for MC :wink:
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Belgium 2013 - Friday (23.08.2013)

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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Only been on this forum for a short while but already gathered that there a quite a few intelligent people on here so can anyone explain why the Mclaren drivers were feeling really good about the car in FP1 in damp / slippery conditions yet weren't comfortable at all in FP2 in the dry and sunshine?

Fortunately it looks like it may well be a wet race on Sunday so this probably bodes well. Maybe Mclaren will be taking a gamble and setting the car up for the wet and overtaking as opposed to outright qually pace?

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smr wrote:Only been on this forum for a short while but already gathered that there a quite a few intelligent people on here so can anyone explain why the Mclaren drivers were feeling really good about the car in FP1 in damp / slippery conditions yet weren't comfortable at all in FP2 in the dry and sunshine?

Fortunately it looks like it may well be a wet race on Sunday so this probably bodes well. Maybe Mclaren will be taking a gamble and setting the car up for the wet and overtaking as opposed to outright qually pace?
I can't comment on Perez, but Whitmarsh said that Button was testing different components on his car in the FP2 - I think he actual words were 'Jenson is driving a very different car'

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smr wrote:Only been on this forum for a short while but already gathered that there a quite a few intelligent people on here so can anyone explain why the Mclaren drivers were feeling really good about the car in FP1 in damp / slippery conditions yet weren't comfortable at all in FP2 in the dry and sunshine?

Fortunately it looks like it may well be a wet race on Sunday so this probably bodes well. Maybe Mclaren will be taking a gamble and setting the car up for the wet and overtaking as opposed to outright qually pace?
I think it's fair to say that with this car, a wet-dry or changeable race in mixed conditions is McLaren's best hope for a win in 2013...and let's face it, those are the races where Button seems to be at his best..!!
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Belgium 2013 - Saturday (24.08.2013)

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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Did Button run different parts to Sergio I heard they did some wing changes to his car. Also isnt this what they would do to Hamilton that would annoy him. Lol Change things in Jensons car.
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Whitmarsh: MP4-28 a misjudgement

Martin Whitmarsh has admitted that, when McLaren finalised the design of its MP4-28, it was enduring a low point in its 2012 campaign and wanted to break the mould in a bid to improve this year.

Almost a complete redesign from its predecessor, the car has been problematic from its debut in pre-season testing and McLaren only overhauled Force India for fifth place in the constructors' championship at Sunday's Belgian Grand Prix. Neither Jenson Button – a three-time race winner last year – nor Sergio Perez has appeared on a podium this season, and McLaren has no answer to the likes of Red Bull, Mercedes, Ferrari or Lotus on track.

”We went aggressive with the height of the nose, the configuration of the front suspension, the configuration of the rear suspension, the bodywork and exhaust layout,” Whitmarsh confessed, “In a word, we did too many things which were deviating from a car which was the fastest car nine or ten months ago…”

Explaining the decision to make so many radical changes, Whitmarsh explained that McLaren was seeking to gain an advantage over teams it believed would be more conservative in their 2013 designs, but admits that the plan backfired owing to the Woking squad's own success.

“The time the team was making the decisions was in a situation when we were falling a bit behind,” he revealed, “The start of the 2012 season was good but then, in mid-season, we were falling behind and it is about that time that you make these decisions. Then last year's car became quicker and quicker.

“It was bad timing, it was misjudgement, and it was ambition. It is very clear in hindsight that we've got it wrong. Hindsight is a great thing to learn from, but it doesn't help right now.

“But let's also be fair: this car now is quicker than last year's car. So what we've done is made marginal steps forward but, effectively, we've lost about six months of time. The other teams - as we should have done - have developed their 2012 car and got ahead, and we slowly have to catch them up. We've done a little bit of that, but it's clearly not enough.”

While previous early season disasters have been turned around - notably in 2009, when Lewis Hamilton struggled at the start of his title defence before winning two races in the second half of the year – but Whitmarsh explains that it has been harder to correct the problems with the MP4-28.

“The weakness of McLaren - and this is probably my fault - is that we have not switched [enough] resources to the next year,” he revealed, “We fought and battled on for this season, as we are racers - that is our weakness. In the past, often we've been a bit late - we've come out slow and then put a foot on the gas. Often we've been in a situation where we've made a mistake, then we rectified that mistake and jumped forward. But, this year, the problem that we have with this car is that we are behind in development. You then push hard to accelerate development, you lose correlation from the wind tunnel to the track, you lose your way and it becomes difficult to make the progress that you want.”

Despite taking the blame for the team's inability to bounce back in 2013, Whitmarsh insists that he is not wasting time worrying about his job security.

“We are a team and ultimately I take the blame - that's my job,” he confirmed, “It is not my style to single out people publicly when things go wrong. I am happy to name names when we are successful and give them the opportunity to stand on the podium, but it is my job when things haven't gone so well to take the responsibility.

“This year we have made some big mistakes - I don't like it, but there is no point in hiding from it. I am not the one to judge [the right man for the team] - I don't spend too much time reflecting on that, but I am not worried - that's not on my mind. I want us to progress. Yes, this is a bad year, but usually we come back strong - and that is what we will do next year.

“It is much more enjoyable to go motor racing with the prospect of winning. We don't enjoy going racing without that prospect, so it's now painful and difficult, but that's life. It's an unusual situation because, in the last ten years, we've always been there fighting for wins and even championships right to the end of the season.

“And you can't back off this year. We have to be disciplined and have to make sure to put a lot of effort into next year - and we are certainly doing that.”
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http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/4621 ... judgement/

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McLaren have tested Monza updates in Vairano:

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/30199/ ... m=facebook

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McLaren bringing minor upgrades to Monza:

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/ ... _to_Monza/

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Bit of a non story... no teams will be bring major upgrades.

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smr wrote:Bit of a non story... no teams will be bring major upgrades.
Last year they just used the same spa rear wing and removed the r winglets on the front wing. Monza never really was the place to bring updates: removing drag creating parts is key.
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smr wrote:Bit of a non story... no teams will be bring major upgrades.
For the exception of Lotus? They're bringing a longer wheelbase and ergo, basically a new car.