Andi76 wrote: ↑10 May 2022, 21:48
matteosc wrote: ↑10 May 2022, 15:24
Andi76 wrote: ↑10 May 2022, 08:05
Where do you know the "real" drag of the Ferrari from???
Come on, everyone accepts that Red Bull has less drag then Ferrari. I am not claiming that I know the exact number, but if we cannot say anything unless we have proven and peer-review data we would not have a blog. I stand by what I posted before: qualitatively Ferrari has a less efficient aero than Red Bull.
If you have any indication that Ferrari has less drag than Red Bull, pleas go ahead, I am very curious.
Indications were already given in my previous post together with telemtry in the post of another user.
But anyway -we do only know one thing for sure- Ferrari uses higher downforce rear-wings.And the Rear Wing is the biggest contributior to drag. And thats the main reason for the differences between Ferrari and Red Bull. They have two different approaches. But this does not say anything about the "quality" or "efficiency" of their aero. Also it does not say anything about the "real" drag of both cars. And at the end of the day saying one cars aero is qualitatively less efficient than the other, is just speculation. Nothing else. In relation to aero only one thing is for sure - since the late 70's no F1 car with non-efficient aero was able to fight for the championship. So both cars obviously are very efficient aerodynamically. But they have two different approaches and concepts. Everything else is pure speculation. Not more, not less.
Ferrari is running an aerodynamic configuration with more drag than Red Bull. I do not think this can be denied. With very similar power units, having ~10km/h difference in top speed can only be due to different drag levels.
What can be however discussed and debated is whether this is due
"only" to wing angles and general different downforce levels or also to other factors, such as sidepodes, floor, etc.
All F1 cars are "efficient", but you cannot say that they all have the same exact efficiency, and most importantly not the same efficiency at all downforce levels. Red Bull is objectively running a lower downforce configuration, which of course implies lower drag. My opinion is that Ferrari is not able to run the same level of downforce with the same efficiency (i.e. the same level of drag). I believe that both Red Bull and Ferrari are running a configuration which somehow maximize the efficiency, but this optimal point is a higher downforce and higher drag for Ferrari.
As a side note: anything anyone says here is by definition just a speculation, since no one here has all the data.