Honda F1 project leader Yusuke Hasegawa has outlined a number of reasons why Honda has been struggling so badly in the beginning of the 2017 Formula One season. He confirmed that lots of problems were not discovered while running on the dynamo meter.
Until last day they are still in F1 and had obligations. If it were not Honda I would expect a decision change with possible wdc of 2021 but I don't think they will change decision.
I really hope Honda's 2021 engine is more than competitive, just to go out on a high. If it is a very competitive power unit, don't show your power level until the season starts. Stick it to Mercedes and the FIA.etusch wrote: ↑05 Oct 2020, 16:01Until last day they are still in F1 and had obligations. If it were not Honda I would expect a decision change with possible wdc of 2021 but I don't think they will change decision.
Maybe they wanted to look 2021 result before deciding but 2021 decided by fia already.
Ross Brawn has offered a pound
Better if they cam convince the existing Honda team to stay
godlameroso wrote: ↑05 Oct 2020, 21:08There's not much that can be done on the ICE side save for bumping CR with more sophisticated injectors and timing control/sensors. Also the fact that the power unit can't really be developed in season means Honda could leave RB a fully developed 2022 power unit and spare parts and the team could run that themselves for the year without fear of being out developed. That would give RB a year to convince the Fia to freeze the 2022 design and run it for 2023-2025
And making it run leaner and reducing friction and improving compressor and turbine efficiency and reducing heat rejection etc.. and voila it's a brand new engine. There's a thousand little changes that add up to those 10 hp over a winter.godlameroso wrote: ↑05 Oct 2020, 21:08There's not much that can be done on the ICE side save for bumping CR with more sophisticated injectors and timing control/sensors.
Under the current regulations how much more can they squeeze out of the current engines if they were to freeze fuel specification? The commercial implications of having a standard fuel supplier and its effect on the competitive order could be a political fire cracker in a porcelain cabinet.Mudflap wrote: ↑05 Oct 2020, 21:55And making it run leaner and reducing friction and improving compressor and turbine efficiency and reducing heat rejection etc.. and voila it's a brand new engine. There's a thousand little changes that add up to those 10 hp over a winter.godlameroso wrote: ↑05 Oct 2020, 21:08There's not much that can be done on the ICE side save for bumping CR with more sophisticated injectors and timing control/sensors.
No car sub-system is ever fully developed and fully optimized, that's what F1 is all about.
I see a redbull mugen honda coming to play, redbull will invest with mtec aka mugen and will stay in f1 till the fia come up with rules so honda will come back in 2026tangodjango wrote: ↑05 Oct 2020, 20:12https://the-race.com/formula-1/honda-op ... post-2021/
"Honda’s Formula 1 project leader is willing to discuss Red Bull keeping its engines after its 2021 F1 exit so the team can develop them itself or with a new partner.
Honda will leave F1 at the end of 2021 to redirect its research and development resources towards major automotive targets it has set, but wants to support the succession plan Red Bull must come up with for an alternative engine supply for its two teams."
Frankly, if they ever do come back (which I honestly don't see them ever doing now) and as only a power unit manufacturer, any interested party would want a guarantee they aren't leaving for x amount of years etc. The only way back I could see them MAYBE coming back, would be as a full works outfit, but even then.. I can't really see it.anthonyfa18 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2020, 03:25I see a redbull mugen honda coming to play, redbull will invest with mtec aka mugen and will stay in f1 till the fia come up with rules so honda will come back in 2026tangodjango wrote: ↑05 Oct 2020, 20:12https://the-race.com/formula-1/honda-op ... post-2021/
"Honda’s Formula 1 project leader is willing to discuss Red Bull keeping its engines after its 2021 F1 exit so the team can develop them itself or with a new partner.
Honda will leave F1 at the end of 2021 to redirect its research and development resources towards major automotive targets it has set, but wants to support the succession plan Red Bull must come up with for an alternative engine supply for its two teams."
