2016 McLaren F1 Team - Honda

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TheGkbrk wrote:That spin cost Fernando a couple of points. A mistake I didn't expect from Fernando.
Everybody spun, but yeah, Alonso probably lost more than most with his.

Not classy how he is complaining about the team's conventional strategy. Sounds like scapegoatism to me.

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I stopped breathing when the director cut to Alonso in the gravel. I'm glad he got it out of there. Pity about the result, but I'm looking forward to the rest of the season. They're improving, and even if the result wasn't good, it was clear for all to see what the car was capable of, at least in the hands of Alonso. I'm sure button would have been closer in quali - and hence the race - had his endplate not come undone
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zeph wrote:Not classy how he is complaining about the team's conventional strategy. Sounds like scapegoatism to me.
I agree with Alex Wurz on this. It was a calm, spot on analysis of the pit stop / strategy made during the race and Fernando is right that they should have taken a few risks as there wasn't much to lose for them.

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Andres125sx wrote:
techman wrote:mclaren running too much downforce, , if it rains it will be fatastic for mclaren , and in dry i still think button will come to the front by overtaking, because his race pace was pretty decent, even better than the williams in stints, cant wait, mclaren need to make the chassis more aero efficient, not just adding downforce . Teams lik TR and redbull never run those monkey wings, they are uncessary drag especially in power circuits.
Sainz think different
Carlos Sainz wrote:I know they are very efficient on the aerodynamic side
http://www.racer.com/f1/item/131807-hon ... ari-engine
Martin Kodric a fromer Formula Renault driver and now Lamborgini cup driver is a close friend to Max Verstapen....and he spoke to max who told him Mclaren has very very good chassis in some areas on the level of RB, in some area worse and in some even better than RB, he also said Honda is over 50bhp down on Renault in RB.
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GoranF1 wrote:
Andres125sx wrote:
techman wrote:mclaren running too much downforce, , if it rains it will be fatastic for mclaren , and in dry i still think button will come to the front by overtaking, because his race pace was pretty decent, even better than the williams in stints, cant wait, mclaren need to make the chassis more aero efficient, not just adding downforce . Teams lik TR and redbull never run those monkey wings, they are uncessary drag especially in power circuits.
Sainz think different
Carlos Sainz wrote:I know they are very efficient on the aerodynamic side
http://www.racer.com/f1/item/131807-hon ... ari-engine
Martin Kodric a fromer Formula Renault driver and now Lamborgini cup driver is a close friend to Max Verstapen....and he spoke to max who told him Mclaren has very very good chassis in some areas on the level of RB, in some area worse and in some even better than RB, he also said Honda is over 50bhp down on Renault in RB.
Max was lying. Mclaren has a better chassis than RB. Redbull hasn't been near Mclaren in the chassis area since last year.
And Honda is nearly 100hp down Renault by the looks of things. Redbulls are breezing past them on the straight.

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Alonso set the second fastest lap of the race. I know he had a late stop but still good.
http://www.fia.com/file/44869/download?token=wViQiOhE

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Jenson
"In our position you need to qualify in the top 10 then try to hang on," he said.

"We haven't got pace to make places up to get into the top 10."
I think that's a very fair analysis of where the team is right now.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... ve-gambled

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Mad wrote:
GoranF1 wrote:
Andres125sx wrote: Sainz think different



http://www.racer.com/f1/item/131807-hon ... ari-engine
Martin Kodric a fromer Formula Renault driver and now Lamborgini cup driver is a close friend to Max Verstapen....and he spoke to max who told him Mclaren has very very good chassis in some areas on the level of RB, in some area worse and in some even better than RB, he also said Honda is over 50bhp down on Renault in RB.
Max was lying. Mclaren has a better chassis than RB. Redbull hasn't been near Mclaren in the chassis area since last year.
And Honda is nearly 100hp down Renault by the looks of things. Redbulls are breezing past them on the straight.
Quite clear you did not read my whole post.
And no Renault is not 100 hp up on Honda
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My view for that race is this. First of all, the results were definitely disappointing but totally unrepresentative. There's definitely a lot progress already and more to come. We can see this since in qualy we almost got P8 (if we didn't have time deleted). In race, I agree that the strategy was quite poor. McLaren was begging for rainy conditions and stuff but rain came and acted in the opposite way. I'm quite sure that in this specific race we could have scored points in dry! (I can't believe I'm saying this but yea such the progress is). If they took more risks it would be better but well it wasn't good for both drivers. Alonso was pushing like a madman behind Massa but that mistake cost his race completely. By the way, everyone lost it in that corner but Alonso did in the worst way, he reacted very fast to correct it but the car didn't find any grip to stop the drift like others but spun in an extremely violent way. Maybe he was carrying much more speed. But anyway this killed his race from then. Button climbed a lot considering the strategy and the fact that he was starting so far back thanks to the rear wing issue on Saturday. Anyway, I believe that this was just an unlucky race and more to come. Also, Alonso's 2nd fast race lap time was incredible :O .

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SameSame wrote:Alonso set the second fastest lap of the race. I know he had a late stop but still good.
http://www.fia.com/file/44869/download?token=wViQiOhE
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First race that we felt competitive, specially in mix conditions! Despite the result the best weekend for me so far in this project!

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ALO was all over MAS I was quite impressed with how good the car looked until he dropped it, looks like the car can be competitive in a race, but its unclear how long they can run at max performance

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I think the first few laps behind the safety car and the mixed conditions helped a lot with fuel saving. He was also very close to Hulkenberg. I think they could have had a decent fight with FI if they pitted during the VSC.

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BeardedAce wrote:
Andres125sx wrote:
techman wrote:mclaren running too much downforce, , if it rains it will be fatastic for mclaren , and in dry i still think button will come to the front by overtaking, because his race pace was pretty decent, even better than the williams in stints, cant wait, mclaren need to make the chassis more aero efficient, not just adding downforce . Teams lik TR and redbull never run those monkey wings, they are uncessary drag especially in power circuits.
Sainz think different
Carlos Sainz wrote:I know they are very efficient on the aerodynamic side
http://www.racer.com/f1/item/131807-hon ... ari-engine
That same Sainz said they are better than McLaren in the corners in Monaco.
Yes, that same Sainz. Do you see something weird there?

Or maybe you disagree and think McLaren was faster in Monaco corners?

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Interesting read: INSIDE MCLAREN’S SECRETIVE F1 OPERATIONS ROOM, “MISSION CONTROL”

https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2016/07/ ... n-control/
Although F1 team radio has been massively restricted in 2016, McLaren’s engineers can still be heard giving orders in codes. These are changed for every event, just in case another team is listening in – secretive indeed.

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