Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[munudeges]

They already had a winning car when they were Brawn, which Mercedes thought they were buying. It took them years and countless hundreds of millions to get that, which Geoff Willis knows all too well having been there before.

I just wonder, like X, about that whole Technical Director/Deputies dynamic. Geoff Willis has already been TD in that team, knows the score and knows exactly what things are like there. Having Bob Bell above him now just seems like rather an odd position to be in.

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Ah come on these mercury hydraulics are just a rumor (apart from the hydraulic J-damper).
Give me something that shows why mercury should be used instead of oil.
I really don't understand where that idea comes from.
And you even got a up vote for that comment
That is another thing I don't understand.

Perhaps this link can help you to understand

http://abulafiaf1.wordpress.com/2012/01 ... ty-system/

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I just wonder, like X, about that whole Technical Director/Deputies dynamic. Geoff Willis has already been TD in that team, knows the score and knows exactly what things are like there. Having Bob Bell above him now just seems like rather an odd position to be in.

I believe that you already in their titles, Technical-, Technology- and Engineering Director, can read a lot of alfa-male prestige?

[SeijaKessen]

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Ah come on these mercury hydraulics are just a rumor (apart from the hydraulic J-damper).
Give me something that shows why mercury should be used instead of oil.
I really don't understand where that idea comes from.
And you even got a up vote for that comment
That is another thing I don't understand.

Perhaps this link can help you to understand

http://abulafiaf1.wordpress.com/2012/01 ... ty-system/

If they are in fact running mercury in the car, what happens if in a major shunt mercury spills onto the track?

I would imagine a race could be red flagged for that due to the need for hazmat teams to clean up.

[jgrossbard]

Just looked at the standings, and jeez, Mercedes are really missing the ball on this season. If Rosberg hadn't won in China, they'd be in real trouble. I think the problem is a lack of strong leadership from within the cockpit. Schumacher lost his credibility as a top flight driver (he was but is not any more) after his first two years being outclassed by Rosberg and clumsy to boot. Rosberg has been a leading driver but not at a top flight team, so he has no idea how the demands shift from the midfield to the top pack.

Ross Brawn is also to blame. I suspect there is a bit too much patience and reliance on Schumacher to take the team like he did with Ferrari. But he can't for reasons I just elaborated on. Brawn should realize this figure out a way to lead the team from the pit wall rather than expecting one of his drivers to do it for him.

[SeijaKessen]

The real problem, is that manchild is a Mercedes mechanic.

Which to me, isn't actually a problem.

[Nando]

Had Schumacher got a clean start to the season he would be in title contention. Keep that in mind.
He would have actually led the championship at one point.

[zyphro]

Just looked at the standings, and jeez, Mercedes are really missing the ball on this season. If Rosberg hadn't won in China, they'd be in real trouble. I think the problem is a lack of strong leadership from within the cockpit. Schumacher lost his credibility as a top flight driver (he was but is not any more) after his first two years being outclassed by Rosberg and clumsy to boot. Rosberg has been a leading driver but not at a top flight team, so he has no idea how the demands shift from the midfield to the top pack.

Ross Brawn is also to blame. I suspect there is a bit too much patience and reliance on Schumacher to take the team like he did with Ferrari. But he can't for reasons I just elaborated on. Brawn should realize this figure out a way to lead the team from the pit wall rather than expecting one of his drivers to do it for him.

Wow just wow.

You're questioning leadership? Michael's comments during his run of bad luck were admirable and said it all. Michael can guide the silver arrow to success, the question is how long will it take for Merc to give him a car good enough to compete for the top places consistently throughout a season? I see nothing wrong with his pace, he should be in the fight for the championship had things gone his way.

Nico outclassed him in 2010 yes, in 2011? I beg to differ. Schumacher scored Mercedes's highest point scoring position that year, with notable performances in Monza and Canada, in what was: a dog. He might well have got onto the podium, had DRS not been enabled in Canada. The only race Rosberg was competitive to the same sort of extent was China, where he was under-fueled. Other than that, his race-craft was dire in comparison to his team-mate. Schumacher made some clumsy mistakes, but, that is expected given he is not used to fighting in the midfield in his past glory days. Has he ever collided with another driver whilst racing for the higher placed grid positions?

Nope. Monza was a master class of his defence skills, something I'm yet to see from Rosberg.

The fact of the matter is: give Schumacher a competitive car, with, decent reliability and the results will come. Based on his comments quite recently, he is not at all satisfied with the way things have gone. This shows that he still has the passion and desire to succeed once again.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

The problem is there are too many people giving too much credence to what they THINK they know.

The reality is, in 2011 we were all discussing wether Mercedes would be able to win in 2012. They have nailed that hoodoo.
Williams have won too, fair play. They also have a DDRS on the way too... Before any of the top teams according to highly placed sources.
So in my book, they're on top of their game. Have lotus won? Here we are comparing length of meat and lotus have yet to win.
Drivers some may say. Bollocks. They have fast and experienced, same as merc.
Misfortune others may add. Bollocks. Merc has suffered more.

See the problem I have, and have had for some time with the criticism of this team, is that nay Sayers are flinging mud without so much as 1 iota of what is going on.
If lotus cannot produce a winning car come hockenheim but Williams have, does this make lotus idiots?
If Mercedes are playing the long game in solving the pirelli mystery, as most would give credence to the 7 winners in 7 races, why should they be ridiculed for at least attempting to maximise their knowledge in an area that is proven to achieve tangible gains? "mercedes don't even know what they're bringing" =D> bravo what insight you have sir!

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The problem is there are too many people giving too much credence to what they THINK they know.
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Indeed, all members should realize that this thread belongs to members with a balanced, unbiased and impartial relation to this great team and to those members alone. That goes for moderators as well, who should act accordingly.

[bhall]

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If lotus cannot produce a winning car come hockenheim but Williams have, does this make lotus idiots?
If Mercedes are playing the long game in solving the pirelli mystery, as most would give credence to the 7 winners in 7 races, why should they be ridiculed for at least attempting to maximise their knowledge in an area that is proven to achieve tangible gains? "mercedes don't even know what they're bringing" =D> bravo what insight you have sir!

One can't play a "long game" in F1, because F1 has a "short season." Beyond that, playing a "long game" implies purposefully taking wrong turns just to see where they lead.

F1 requires that learning and performing be done concurrently else you end up, well, like Mercedes.

One would think the addition of Costa should help Mercedes in this regard, because Ferrari have long been the very best at in-season, reactionary development. (Of course, that's because they usually have quite a bit of it to do in order to be competitive. But, that's neither here nor there. Literally.)

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F1 requires that learning and performing be done concurrently else you end up, well, like Mercedes.
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I can imagine the three kings bitching over what to do with the jamming wheel-nuts with Ross Brawn as arbitrator;

"It's a Technical issue"..."No a Technology problem..."Not all, it's an Engineering matter!" Conclusively, nothing gets done.

[bhall]

I'm a fan of Ferrari's two-thread solution. Simplicity is the highest form of sophistication.

EDIT: Maybe something along those lines is what Mercedes should focus upon. By all accounts, Ferrari took the downtime between the first four races this season to essentially learn how to be an F1 team again. I'd say the results are pretty obvious.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

The problem is there are too many people giving too much credence to what they THINK they know.
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Indeed, all members should realize that this thread belongs to members with a balanced, unbiased and impartial relation to this great team and to those members alone. That goes for moderators as well, who should act accordingly.

Your sarcasm hides you true feelings x.
Always smoke and mirrors....

[Cocles]

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F1 requires that learning and performing be done concurrently else you end up, well, like Mercedes.
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I can imagine the three kings bitching over what to do with the jamming wheel-nuts with Ross Brawn as arbitrator;

"It's a Technical issue"..."No a Technology problem..."Not all, it's an Engineering matter!" Conclusively, nothing gets done.

And I can imagine them sitting down and having a civil conversation over the matter. Enough with these asinine comments. The fact that you can "imagine" something is irrelevant, so why are you referring to it here as if it has some sort of credence? This is a technical forum.

These are the exact kind kind of comments JET was referring to. I'm shocked you didn't receive an up vote. Maybe now you will.