2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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I really hope the team pushes on another level and gets some upgrades for Suzuka. The operating window needs to be fixed and I think it's maybe a floor body redesign that will be needed.

We need to trust Serra, Tondi and all the engineers for now!

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catent wrote:
24 Mar 2025, 04:47
Serra hasn’t touched a Mercedes in years. I believe 2022 or 2023 was his last season working with the team. He’s been on gardening leave for awhile prior to joining Ferrari and had nothing to do with the 2024 (and possibly 2023) Mercedes.
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https://autoracer.it/it/ferrari-sf25-fo ... iornamenti
Extra plank wear is not a cause but a consequence. The structure of the rear axle does not allow the expected stiffness, which forces the height to be increased in closed park to protect itself with 100kg on board. The main suspect is the rear suspension, homologated in July last year, along with the new gearbox.
The Haas shares mechanical parts and has performed well since the Australian disaster, however it does not have the performance load platform nor the sophisticated aerodynamics of the Ferrari. In other words, the SF-25 struggles with excessive softness that is compromising its operation. It looks like something already seen, for example, on the old Mercedes in the past year. The Rossa under the right conditions can generate much more load than the previous car, the sprint showed what the car could do with 35 kg of gasoline. Qualifying after three hours again erased expectations, less downforce in corners and more rear instability.

Loic Serra arrived in October so relatively late on the 677 project. The French DT has returned to Maranello and is taking action to correct its effectiveness and reliability but clearly it is too early to formulate a solution or its timing. The problem is not easy to solve, engineers are also working on some areas of update that should introduce new parts from Bahrain.

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Right, so just use the floor from the Haas and it will be fine…


Sounds really messy and it really points to a massive technical failure somewhere deep inside the engineering department. At least that’s how it looks like from the outside.

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According to Autoracer the performance loss for Leclerc was around 0.2s which probably includes the higher deg related to having less DWF available.

In some points of the race he was very competitive, like in the first stint. Immediately after Lewis pitting he started lapping quicker than Norris which is a very positive sign. Unfortunately Ferrari failed to maximize points in these 2 difficult weekends so yeah not great overall.

They are lacking a lot compared to McL which is a very complete car.

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Can any suspension experts discuss the role of push/pull on the rear suspension? We’ve heard much discussion of the front-end but not the rear. I believe RBR, McLaren, and Mercedes all run push-rod rear suspensions, while Ferrari uses a pull-rod.

Could the suspension geometry affect its ability to handle the load at various stiffness settings? Could this be a technical concept failure, or could other teams hypothetically struggle with the same issue with a push-rod rear suspension, and it’s just a matter of tuning suspension settings, and potentially changing the diffuser/floor?

Best case scenario, it can be tuned and adapted to extract the maximum potential from the car. Worst case scenario, the design/weight distribution of the gearbox and the design of the rear suspension are fundamentally incapable of allowing the car to operate both rapidly and legally, and short of a new suspension and/or gearbox, no paths forward exist, leading to a lost season.

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Anyone with more technical expertise than me, feel free to correct me, but what I am getting from the Autoracer article is that the rear axle is not giving the correct stiffness and is working softer than they are setting up for? Therefore they have to raise the car more due to more compression on the rear? Is there really any solution to that which can come any time soon?

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Something else to note is that AR article is signed by Duchessa, Donadoni, and Giuliana. All three putting their name on it indicates they're confident about the contents.

The main suspect is the rear suspension, homologated in July last year along with the new gearbox casing.
So technically the gearbox theory floating around after Australia was correct. :lol:

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
24 Mar 2025, 15:19
Something else to note is that AR article is signed by Duchessa, Donadoni, and Giuliana. All three putting their name on it indicates they're confident about the contents.

The main suspect is the rear suspension, homologated in July last year along with the new gearbox casing.
So technically the gearbox theory floating around after Australia was correct. :lol:
May have been correct, but for the wrong reasons.

They’re hinting here that the new gearbox may not be strong enough to handle the forces exerted while running with a stiffer rear suspension.

They may have gone a little too extreme and sacrificed durability for aero to open up more space at the rear.

If that is the case it does make some sense. If they’re forced to run softer than they would like to at the rear, then that’s both bad for rear stability in most tracks as well as for plank wear issues, as you can’t run the car as low with a soft setup as you could with a stiff one.

It’s a really nasty compromise to make on smooth tracks.
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Hammerfist wrote:
24 Mar 2025, 01:07
Seanspeed wrote:
24 Mar 2025, 00:27
Hammerfist wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 23:44
Fact of the matter is leclerc was slower than hamilton all weekend until he had the frony wing damage. So it would be odd for him to have lost a lot of performance due to damage while still becoming comfortably faster than hamilton all race long.

Ive always been intrigued by the lack of performance loss from a damaged front wing. Max won vegas 23 wirh a similarly damaged fronti wing. Hamilton won jeddah in 21 with a similarly damaged front wing. Thats just off the top of my head. Im sure there are many more examples. It often doesn’t affect performance at all.
Well I think it's probably more accurate that Lewis was simply strangely off-the-pace in the race rather than Leclerc being strangely fast.

Lewis in the Sprint race versus Feature race was clearly a wild difference.

And there's no way at all that missing a front wing endplate on a front-limited track like China didn't hurt performance. You could see Leclerc's performance through T9-10 especially was just dismal and that's exactly where such a fault would show up.
I just dont buy it. Like i said cars with similar damage have shown race winning pace in the past and have won races. If charles did suffer a loss then he was likely faster than the mclarens, which is ridiculous to even think that might be true.
"I just dont buy it". Well most people who argue a position never admit when their argument isn't good, so that's not surprising to hear.

We've already explained to you multiple times why that specific damage AT THIS TRACK would be a problem in particular, and you're just conveniently ignoring it. But hey, maybe designers of every F1 car for decades have been putting those endplates on these cars for no reason! What a bunch of dummies.

And no, him losing a small handful of tenths would not have meant he would have been faster than Mclaren otherwise. You're trying to make our argument sound more extreme than it actually is. Mclaren were more than just a couple tenths faster than Leclerc ultimately.

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FerrariF1FRA just reported that some teams are still putting in intense pressure to postpone the 2026 regulations. Since the source is Autoracer... and through logic of which teams would want the new regulations to be postponed we can assume Ferrari is one of them.

The team is hesitant to put too much into the SF-25 since it's unclear whether the regulations will be going through or not. Obviously if they're postponed it would allow a lot more resources into the SF-25.

There haven't been a proper response from the FIA yet and discussions are still ongoing between the teams.
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I read a few weeks back that it was to do with them now thinking about bringing back V10’s in 2028, and delaying the new regs?

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yes, Please v10, enough of this battery crap. they know full well their worldwide travel in privet plane pollutes more than these race cars ever would. if they were so concerned about pollution maybe they should reduce the no of races to like 16 to 19..

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Fakepivot wrote:
24 Mar 2025, 16:21
yes, Please v10, enough of this battery crap. they know full well their worldwide travel in privet plane pollutes more than these race cars ever would. if they were so concerned about pollution maybe they should reduce the no of races to like 16 to 19..
The interest isn't about how much pollution F1 cars themselves make, it's to incorporate road relevance for the engine manufacturers themselves so ordinary cars become more performant and emission efficient using lessons from F1 development. THEY are the ones who pushed for these hybrid powertrains, and it's a big reason Audi even decided to get involved, or why Honda is formally coming back.

I dont see much chance F1 goes away from this as far too much momentum has occurred towards the new regs and powertrains by now. Ferrari will need to plan this year based on the expectation that 2026 will go ahead as normal.

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Seanspeed wrote:
24 Mar 2025, 16:46
Fakepivot wrote:
24 Mar 2025, 16:21
yes, Please v10, enough of this battery crap. they know full well their worldwide travel in privet plane pollutes more than these race cars ever would. if they were so concerned about pollution maybe they should reduce the no of races to like 16 to 19..
The interest isn't about how much pollution F1 cars themselves make, it's to incorporate road relevance for the engine manufacturers themselves so ordinary cars become more performant and emission efficient using lessons from F1 development. THEY are the ones who pushed for these hybrid powertrains, and it's a big reason Audi even decided to get involved, or why Honda is formally coming back.

I dont see much chance F1 goes away from this as far too much momentum has occurred towards the new regs and powertrains by now. Ferrari will need to plan this year based on the expectation that 2026 will go ahead as normal.

I don’t see F1 going to V10s either.

Current F1 PU’s would never work on the road. Besides the technology being too finicky, the lean burn concept will never meet NOx standards.