2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[Thunder]

awwwwww it's sooo cute.

[PlatinumZealot]

Haha. I was wondering myself equal footing with what renault?! It must be the renault cars he's talking about. He surely cannot mean the engine was equal to the renault engine!

With that said, I think next year for sure Honda has the ingredients to be on par. Never underestimate Honda.
Remember they make an engine called the K20. A four cylinder production engine that can produce 200 wheel horsepower per liter in naturally aspirated form. So they definitely know what they are doing when it comes to getting the most out engines. Rumors are that they broke the 900hp barrier this year and It is just the TJI that they need to master now. That took renualt about four months.. So here's hoping Honda had already gotten on top of it on their dynos before summer.

[motobaleno]

Remember they make an engine called the K20. A four cylinder production engine that can produce 200 wheel horsepower per liter in naturally aspirated form.

The k20a produces 100 hp per liter (200 total)
they did better with the f20c: 120 per liter (240 total)

[PlatinumZealot]

Remember they make an engine called the K20. A four cylinder production engine that can produce 200 wheel horsepower per liter in naturally aspirated form.

The k20a produces 100 hp per liter (200 total)
they did better with the f20c: 120 per liter (240 total)

Im not talking about stock. Im Talking about modified for drag racing. Previously with other engines more extensive work has to be done to get 200hp per liter naturally aspirated. I have seen dyno graphs of these modified engines.. i was told by the owner it was 2.4 liters (he could be lying! Maybe he increaed the bore) naturally aspirated... No nitrous... And the graph said 495 wheel horspower.
You just couldnt do this feat so easily before the K series engines came along.

[Andres125sx]

awwwwww it's sooo cute.

indeed

[ME4ME]

A four cylinder production engine that can produce 200 wheel horsepower per liter in naturally aspirated form.

Why write production engine if you mean modified? Can see why the guy assumed stock, right?

Im not talking about stock. Im Talking about modified for drag racing.

A non-stock engine doens't really reflect Hondas achievement now does it.

[PlatinumZealot]

A four cylinder production engine that can produce 200 wheel horsepower per liter in naturally aspirated form.

Why write production engine if you mean modified? Can see why the guy assumed stock, right?

Im not talking about stock. Im Talking about modified for drag racing.

A non-stock engine doens't really reflect Hondas achievement now does it.

I think it reflects Honda's achievements because that level of power sensitivity was never really seen before from a mass production engine. If you are really interested you can check out the tuner scene for the engine. But I have gone off topic.

[godlameroso]

Naturally aspirated k24 running 15:1 compression will never make more than 390ish hp at the wheels. I don't think more is possible, but with boost, it's a game changer. The F series with the Nikasil liners tolerates boost better in stock form. The main drawback is the open deck block in most all Honda engines. Non Nikasil/FRM coated cylinders require sleeves to get reliable power from boost, or conservative settings.

[Far]

Brown targeting F1 world title with McLaren in next three seasons

So NO WDC for Alonso in 17 Or 18 Maybe Ron in the Manor win first


http://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2016/1 ... e-seasons/

[diffuser]

Brown targeting F1 world title with McLaren in next three seasons

So NO WDC for Alonso in 17 Or 18 Maybe Ron in the Manor win first


http://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2016/1 ... e-seasons/

Next year is within next 3 years.

[Pierce89]

Brown targeting F1 world title with McLaren in next three seasons

So NO WDC for Alonso in 17 Or 18 Maybe Ron in the Manor win first


http://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2016/1 ... e-seasons/

Not understanding English

[ME4ME]

Within 3 years is pretty realistic, or even optimistic i'd say. How many here do seriously consider Mclaren Honda title contenders in 2017?

[Gridlock]

Within 3 years is pretty realistic, or even optimistic i'd say. How many here do seriously consider Mclaren Honda title contenders in 2017?

Too early to say, isn't it. Who called Brawn in Dec '08?

[godlameroso]

It depends. Imagine if the Honda had a bit wider power band this year, they could have been guaranteed 4th in the constructors, they were very close. The step they'll make from 2016 to 2017 is probably greater than the step they made from 2015->2016. The biggest unknown is the chassis, if I know McLaren they'll either start with a turkey, and make it better steadily, and by the time they get it right it'll be too late. Or they'll start with a monster that only works in a very narrow range of conditions, and they'll crush everyone in 3 or 4 tracks, and be mediocre or borderline podium everywhere else. Or the car will be fast, but the team will make sure that potential is never realized due to tactical errors. One of those or a combination there of, for sure. There's potential there, they've always been able to make a good chassis, Honda have always been able to make a good power unit..eventually. Maybe the final step is for the chassis to learn to speak the power unit's "language" and vice versa.

In other words instead of having a cart or a horse, and worrying about which goes first, you have to look at it as some beautifully grotesque Frankenstein hybrid of a horse/carrige.

It's not enough to have a strong engine with a broad power band, you also need for the downforce to be there, for the drivetrain to distribute the power correctly, for the suspension to keep the wheels planted, and on and on.

[ME4ME]

It depends. Imagine if the Honda had a bit wider power band this year, they could have been guaranteed 4th in the constructors, they were very close. The step they'll make from 2016 to 2017 is probably greater than the step they made from 2015->2016. The biggest unknown is the chassis, if I know McLaren they'll either start with a turkey, and make it better steadily, and by the time they get it right it'll be too late. Or they'll start with a monster that only works in a very narrow range of conditions, and they'll crush everyone in 3 or 4 tracks, and be mediocre or borderline podium everywhere else. Or the car will be fast, but the team will make sure that potential is never realized due to tactical errors. One of those or a combination there of, for sure. There's potential there, they've always been able to make a good chassis, Honda have always been able to make a good power unit..eventually. Maybe the final step is for the chassis to learn to speak the power unit's "language" and vice versa.

In other words instead of having a cart or a horse, and worrying about which goes first, you have to look at it as some beautifully grotesque Frankenstein hybrid of a horse/carrige.

It's not enough to have a strong engine with a broad power band, you also need for the downforce to be there, for the drivetrain to distribute the power correctly, for the suspension to keep the wheels planted, and on and on.

If you're going to be predictive, be specific. No glory in predicting all alternatives, or a combination of them.

Whats your motivation for assuming they will make more progress this winter than last winter? Personally I doubt that. Time will tell. Also I challenge your statement that Mclaren always makes good chassis. They haven't really done that for the last ~4 years.