Aston Martin AMR26

[FNTC]

The AMR26 is running a limited top speed at the Barcelona test, reportedly at 200-250kph max. I'm thinking this might be related to the seemingly temporary front end, with the fixed wing? No need to push to 300+ if you don't open the front wing.

[matt_s]

With its broad nose, heavy undercuts, Devil-horns and triangular airbox, does anyone else think AMR26 is reminiscent of MP4-20, another of Adrian's designs from 2005?

LS: "Adrian, I've had a few people from the design office come to me with concerns that you might just be copying your old McLaren designs"

AN: "Lawrence, please.... Leave me alone, I know what I'm doing. BWOAHAHAHAHAHA."

[Martin Keene]

The AMR26 is running a limited top speed at the Barcelona test, reportedly at 200-250kph max. I'm thinking this might be related to the seemingly temporary front end, with the fixed wing? No need to push to 300+ if you don't open the front wing.

That's an interesting theory. If you have active aero there is no need to build a front wing strong enough to sustain the loads of full down force at max speed, and there is definitely something odd about that front end.

[wiktor977]

Is that the car with the highest rake on the grid?

[matteosc]

Unfortunately not too many nice images, but enough to see the general direction they are going for. From my interpretation, it looks like a hybrid between Mercedes and Ferrari. Both suspensions (front+rear) are intersting and I think Honda has enabled them to have quite extreme packaging, so this is, as far as I can tell, the only car which has a huge undercut (+ thin sidepods) as well as a relatively thin centerline.

The front is like a combination between Audi, RedBull and Mercedes. Audi because the nose is kinda bulbous at the front. RedBull because of the way it tapers in from that bulbous shape, and Mercedes because to me it looks like their top flap is also relatively "flat" and it's not generating too much upwash.

Of course we have no idea which concepts are working and which aren't the moment, so I can't really make any comments on "potential performance". But I made a comment earlier about this car looking like a more "aggressive" Mercedes and I still stand by that opinion. In my opinion it's more aggressive because it incorporates ideas from other teams while also being innovative in some aspects. The thin downwashing sidepods got a hint of McLaren in them, but the fact that they don't go fully down to the floor, makes me connect them more with the Mercedes/Ferrari approach rather than McLaren. Although McLaren do have a huge undercut, so I honestly don't really have the expertise to make the distinction between them.

As a car, it looks really good and developed with a lot of interesting details on it. Honda is a bit of a question mark. If this turns out to be a very competitive chassis, I hope the engine doesn't let them down.

Considering that this is the first time that teams see each other's cars, I think it is not about "taking elements" from other teams. It is more about common concepts and rules interpretations.

[Emag]

Unfortunately not too many nice images, but enough to see the general direction they are going for. From my interpretation, it looks like a hybrid between Mercedes and Ferrari. Both suspensions (front+rear) are intersting and I think Honda has enabled them to have quite extreme packaging, so this is, as far as I can tell, the only car which has a huge undercut (+ thin sidepods) as well as a relatively thin centerline.

The front is like a combination between Audi, RedBull and Mercedes. Audi because the nose is kinda bulbous at the front. RedBull because of the way it tapers in from that bulbous shape, and Mercedes because to me it looks like their top flap is also relatively "flat" and it's not generating too much upwash.

Of course we have no idea which concepts are working and which aren't the moment, so I can't really make any comments on "potential performance". But I made a comment earlier about this car looking like a more "aggressive" Mercedes and I still stand by that opinion. In my opinion it's more aggressive because it incorporates ideas from other teams while also being innovative in some aspects. The thin downwashing sidepods got a hint of McLaren in them, but the fact that they don't go fully down to the floor, makes me connect them more with the Mercedes/Ferrari approach rather than McLaren. Although McLaren do have a huge undercut, so I honestly don't really have the expertise to make the distinction between them.

As a car, it looks really good and developed with a lot of interesting details on it. Honda is a bit of a question mark. If this turns out to be a very competitive chassis, I hope the engine doesn't let them down.

Considering that this is the first time that teams see each other's cars, I think it is not about "taking elements" from other teams. It is more about common concepts and rules interpretations.

I did not imply one is copying from the other. I am just making a comment on the similarities.

[FrukostScones]

the amount of rake on is the car is "excessive" compared to the other contenders. and this "sickle" deflector in front of the tires. devious.

[matteosc]

Unfortunately not too many nice images, but enough to see the general direction they are going for. From my interpretation, it looks like a hybrid between Mercedes and Ferrari. Both suspensions (front+rear) are intersting and I think Honda has enabled them to have quite extreme packaging, so this is, as far as I can tell, the only car which has a huge undercut (+ thin sidepods) as well as a relatively thin centerline.

The front is like a combination between Audi, RedBull and Mercedes. Audi because the nose is kinda bulbous at the front. RedBull because of the way it tapers in from that bulbous shape, and Mercedes because to me it looks like their top flap is also relatively "flat" and it's not generating too much upwash.

Of course we have no idea which concepts are working and which aren't the moment, so I can't really make any comments on "potential performance". But I made a comment earlier about this car looking like a more "aggressive" Mercedes and I still stand by that opinion. In my opinion it's more aggressive because it incorporates ideas from other teams while also being innovative in some aspects. The thin downwashing sidepods got a hint of McLaren in them, but the fact that they don't go fully down to the floor, makes me connect them more with the Mercedes/Ferrari approach rather than McLaren. Although McLaren do have a huge undercut, so I honestly don't really have the expertise to make the distinction between them.

As a car, it looks really good and developed with a lot of interesting details on it. Honda is a bit of a question mark. If this turns out to be a very competitive chassis, I hope the engine doesn't let them down.

Considering that this is the first time that teams see each other's cars, I think it is not about "taking elements" from other teams. It is more about common concepts and rules interpretations.

I did not imply one is copying from the other. I am just making a comment on the similarities.

Well, using sentences like "[...] it incorporates ideas from other teams" and "[...] got a hint of McLaren" threw me a little off, sorry.

[FW17]

the amount of rake on is the car is "excessive" compared to the other contenders. and this "sickle" deflector in front of the tires. devious.

I guess that will be the trend. With the limited height of the rear wing the additional angle of attack provided by the rake will be quiet beneficial

[f1isgood]

Considering that this is the first time that teams see each other's cars, I think it is not about "taking elements" from other teams. It is more about common concepts and rules interpretations.

I did not imply one is copying from the other. I am just making a comment on the similarities.

Well, using sentences like "[...] it incorporates ideas from other teams" and "[...] got a hint of McLaren" threw me a little off, sorry.

It definitely reads like Aston copied stuff from McLaren in two days. So I think it's fair to say the original post was poorly written.

[langedweil]

I did not imply one is copying from the other. I am just making a comment on the similarities.

Well, using sentences like "[...] it incorporates ideas from other teams" and "[...] got a hint of McLaren" threw me a little off, sorry.

It definitely reads like Aston copied stuff from McLaren in two days. So I think it's fair to say the original post was poorly written.

Well, I dare to say everyone around here understands that is not possible at all.
To me it's simply noting that there's quite a bit of overlapping in overall design ideas, all with their own interpretations of development strategies.

[f1isgood]

Well, using sentences like "[...] it incorporates ideas from other teams" and "[...] got a hint of McLaren" threw me a little off, sorry.

It definitely reads like Aston copied stuff from McLaren in two days. So I think it's fair to say the original post was poorly written.

Well, I dare to say everyone around here understands that is not possible at all.
To me it's simply noting that there's quite a bit of overlapping in overall design ideas, all with their own interpretations of development strategies.

Indeed, and I am sure Emag didn't mean what was written for sure. It's just semantics and I will stop this here as I will be moving off-topic.

[dren]

the amount of rake on is the car is "excessive" compared to the other contenders. and this "sickle" deflector in front of the tires. devious.

I guess that will be the trend. With the limited height of the rear wing the additional angle of attack provided by the rake will be quiet beneficial

And gets the front wing that much closer to the ground.

[fourmula1]

the amount of rake on is the car is "excessive" compared to the other contenders. and this "sickle" deflector in front of the tires. devious.

I guess that will be the trend. With the limited height of the rear wing the additional angle of attack provided by the rake will be quiet beneficial

And gets the front wing that much closer to the ground.

They can just put the front wing lower or higher no matter the “rake” though right? Rake in these cars is angle of the floor. The wings can be angled up or down or more independently. I don’t know what my point is….I guess its just semantics maybe….but definition of “rake” seems to be weird in these threads.

[SB15]

Is that the car with the highest rake on the grid?
https://i.postimg.cc/Nf6JcqS2/Aston-rake.jpg

Close enough! Welcome back RB16B